[Phono-L] Vehicle?

[Thatcher Graham]

If you're going to gripe about lead, remember that the iron, steel and 
aluminum in all cars also mined, shipped and assembled and all leave a 
big dirty crater behind like all modern electronic and mechanical devices.

I think the last clean machine on earth may be the old crank phonograph.




Tom Jordan wrote:
> Do some reading on the environmental impact of producing the batteries for
> these cars.  The raw materials that are taken from the planet leave the
> surrounding area a toxic waste dump.  Those materials are then shipped to
> the opposite side of the world in ships where the batteries are built.  Then
> they are shipped back to the United States in the same ships to be put into
> the cars.
>
> What do we do with the spent batteries once they are replaced?  Landfills?
> No savings is realized whatsoever and the planet is ravaged in the process.
>
> I put my hopes into REALLY energy efficient gas or diesel vehicles or
> hydrogen.  They are possible, but manufacturers aren't motivated to make
> them as consumers continue to buy the old technology.
>
> Consumers simply need to stop purchasing vehicles that pollute and vote with
> their pocketbooks.  Greedy corporations will come around when their bottom
> lines are ravaged.  It's the only way to grab their attention and get real
> change.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of Thatcher Graham
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:06 PM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
> Greg,
>
> I have to point out that while $3,00 sounds like a lot, that cash is off 
> set by paying the equivalent of about $1 a gallon for gas.  For example: 
> I gas up once a week, at a cost of about $30. That's over $1,500 the 
> first year, a total of $4,680 in 3 years. Even if the batteries all die 
> in 3 years, I came out ahead.
>
> But granted. 3 grand is a helluva tune up.
>
>
>
>
> Greg Bogantz wrote:
>   
>>    The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these 
>> hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack.  Anybody who has 
>> ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good 
>> for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary.  The published 
>> cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000.  Anyone 
>> who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to 
>> shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on 
>> the road.  And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is 
>> about 8 GRAND!  No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand.  
>> Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery 
>> packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about operating 
>> one of these cars is just a pipe dream.  It makes good advertising 
>> malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner 
>> rather than later.
>>
>> Greg Bogantz
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>>
>>
>> Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how 
>> long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will 
>> need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not 
>> a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for 
>> phonographs!
>> John
>>
>> --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM
>>
>> They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive 
>> each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no 
>> driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look 
>> Victrola-sized, either
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>>
>>
>> I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric 
>> vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge..
>> John Robles
>>
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