[Phono-L] Vehicle?

[Tom Jordan]

Do some reading on the environmental impact of producing the batteries for
these cars.  The raw materials that are taken from the planet leave the
surrounding area a toxic waste dump.  Those materials are then shipped to
the opposite side of the world in ships where the batteries are built.  Then
they are shipped back to the United States in the same ships to be put into
the cars.

What do we do with the spent batteries once they are replaced?  Landfills?
No savings is realized whatsoever and the planet is ravaged in the process.

I put my hopes into REALLY energy efficient gas or diesel vehicles or
hydrogen.  They are possible, but manufacturers aren't motivated to make
them as consumers continue to buy the old technology.

Consumers simply need to stop purchasing vehicles that pollute and vote with
their pocketbooks.  Greedy corporations will come around when their bottom
lines are ravaged.  It's the only way to grab their attention and get real
change.

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Thatcher Graham
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:06 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?

Greg,

I have to point out that while $3,00 sounds like a lot, that cash is off 
set by paying the equivalent of about $1 a gallon for gas.  For example: 
I gas up once a week, at a cost of about $30. That's over $1,500 the 
first year, a total of $4,680 in 3 years. Even if the batteries all die 
in 3 years, I came out ahead.

But granted. 3 grand is a helluva tune up.




Greg Bogantz wrote:
>    The elephant in the room that NOBODY ever talks about with these 
> hybrid cars is the cost to replace the battery pack.  Anybody who has 
> ever owned a rechargeable anything knows that the battery is only good 
> for about 3 years, advertising claims to the contrary.  The published 
> cost of the battery pack for the Toyota Prius is about $3,000.  Anyone 
> who has any thought of buying a used Prius had better be prepared to 
> shuck out another 3 grand very quickly to actually keep the thing on 
> the road.  And the estimated battery cost of the new Chebby Volt is 
> about 8 GRAND!  No wonder the car is set to retail for 40 grand.  
> Until there is an economical way to lease or trade in these battery 
> packs, the whole "economical, money saving" baloney about operating 
> one of these cars is just a pipe dream.  It makes good advertising 
> malarkey, but owners of these cars are in for a rude awakening sooner 
> rather than later.
>
> Greg Bogantz
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
>
> Are there charging stations for these types of cars? I don't know how 
> long they take to charge, but I would imagine at some point there will 
> need to be places where they can be charged publicly. 100 miles is not 
> a lot of ground to cover when you are scouring the countryside for 
> phonographs!
> John
>
> --- On Mon, 3/8/10, DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: DanKj <edisone1 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:57 AM
>
> They say 100 miles under ideal conditions. That's more than I drive 
> each week, so such a car would suit me - except that I have no 
> driveway so no place to plug it in ! The 'LEAF" doesn't look 
> Victrola-sized, either
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9ten at pacbell.net>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vehicle?
>
>
> I just saw a commercial last night for Nissan's new all-electric 
> vehicle. I wonder how far you get on a charge..
> John Robles
>
>
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Thatcher Graham
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