From jimcip at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  1 10:16:59 2010
From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:16:59 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
Message-ID: <380-22010211181659468@earthlink.net>

I attempted to send some copies of some excerpts from an article on Charles Sumner Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the organ of the City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society that suggest that Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut wax disc recording as well as the acid etched
duplicating process to obtain Mr. Fabrizio's thoughts on the matter but my letter, sent to P.O. Box 10307 in Rochester, New York came back.    Can anyone provide me with
Mr. Fabrizio's current mailing address?    Thanks!
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances


jimcip at earthlink.net

From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Mon Feb  1 12:37:10 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:37:10 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
References: <380-22010211181659468@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <A298C960B0454D25AF046064BA513033@gbhpa1514n>

Tim Fabrizio's mailing address is:

396 Westminster Rd.
(or: P.O. Box 747)
Henrietta, NY  14467

Or, you can email him at his phonophan webpage:

http://www.phonophan.com/

Greg Bogantz




----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <Phono-L at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:16 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


>I attempted to send some copies of some excerpts from an article on Charles 
>Sumner Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the 
>organ of the City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society that 
>suggest that Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut wax 
>disc recording as well as the acid etched
> duplicating process to obtain Mr. Fabrizio's thoughts on the matter but my 
> letter, sent to P.O. Box 10307 in Rochester, New York came back.    Can 
> anyone provide me with
> Mr. Fabrizio's current mailing address?    Thanks!
> Jim Cartwright
> Immortal Performances
>
>
> jimcip at earthlink.net
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 


From AllenAmet at aol.com  Mon Feb  1 12:43:29 2010
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:43:29 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
Message-ID: <4d2.459a270a.389896f1@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/1/2010 3:28:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jimcip at earthlink.net writes:

"Sumner  Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the 
organ of the  City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society that 
suggest that  Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut wax 
disc recording as  well as the acid etched duplicating process..." 


-----------------
Do the Notes indicate why Tainter abandoned the "zig-zag" recording,  and 
persisted in his hillandale methods?
 
  Berliner was quite able to obtain his (workable) lateral  recording 
patents (1887 on) without legal or other interference from  Tainter. As a matter 
of fact, even Edison (pre-Tainter) discussed lateral  recording in his first 
patent of 1878. Bell/Tainter's famous 341,214 does  not even mention 
lateral recording.
 
Allen
 _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) 
 

From gpaul2000 at aol.com  Mon Feb  1 13:08:33 2010
From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:08:33 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
In-Reply-To: <A298C960B0454D25AF046064BA513033@gbhpa1514n>
References: <380-22010211181659468@earthlink.net>
	<A298C960B0454D25AF046064BA513033@gbhpa1514n>
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 Tim moved from Westminster 5 years ago, so don't send anything there!  The PO Box 747, Henrietta, NY  14467 address is correct.  You can also contact him at phonophan at aol.com.

George P.

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


Tim Fabrizio's mailing address is: 
 
396 Westminster Rd. 
(or: P.O. Box 747) 
Henrietta, NY  14467 
 
Or, you can email him at his phonophan webpage: 
 
http://www.phonophan.com/ 
 
Greg Bogantz 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- From: <jimcip at earthlink.net> 
To: <Phono-L at oldcrank.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:16 PM 
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio 
 
>I attempted to send some copies of some excerpts from an article on Charles >Sumner Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the >organ of the City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society that >suggest that Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut wax >disc recording as well as the acid etched 
> duplicating process to obtain Mr. Fabrizio's thoughts on the matter but my > letter, sent to P.O. Box 10307 in Rochester, New York came back.    Can > anyone provide me with 
> Mr. Fabrizio's current mailing address?    Thanks! 
> Jim Cartwright 
> Immortal Performances 
> 
> 
> jimcip at earthlink.net 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org  
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From jimcip at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  1 15:46:36 2010
From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:46:36 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
Message-ID: <380-22010211234636500@earthlink.net>

Thanks for Mr. Fabrizio's current address!    I thought the
Tainter-Berliner priority situation as to lateral cut wax disc recording &
acid-etched duplication might in some ways parallel that of
Farnsworth-Zworykin for priority in electronic television where credit has
finally been given where it was due & thought Mr. Fabrizio's views on the
matter might
be enlightening since he is one of the leading historicans of early sound
recording.
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances

jimcip at earthlink.net


> [Original Message]
> From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 01-Feb-2010 2:37:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
>
> Tim Fabrizio's mailing address is:
>
> 396 Westminster Rd.
> (or: P.O. Box 747)
> Henrietta, NY  14467
>
> Or, you can email him at his phonophan webpage:
>
> http://www.phonophan.com/
>
> Greg Bogantz
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <jimcip at earthlink.net>
> To: <Phono-L at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:16 PM
> Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
>
>
> >I attempted to send some copies of some excerpts from an article on
Charles 
> >Sumner Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the 
> >organ of the City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society
that 
> >suggest that Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut
wax 
> >disc recording as well as the acid etched
> > duplicating process to obtain Mr. Fabrizio's thoughts on the matter but
my 
> > letter, sent to P.O. Box 10307 in Rochester, New York came back.    Can 
> > anyone provide me with
> > Mr. Fabrizio's current mailing address?    Thanks!
> > Jim Cartwright
> > Immortal Performances
> >
> >
> > jimcip at earthlink.net
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 
>
> _______________________________________________
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From phonophan at aol.com  Mon Feb  1 19:22:05 2010
From: phonophan at aol.com (phonophan at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:22:05 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
In-Reply-To: <8CC7199D8ADEF5F-52E0-43C4@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <380-22010211181659468@earthlink.net><A298C960B0454D25AF046064BA513033@gbhpa1514n>
	<8CC7199D8ADEF5F-52E0-43C4@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC71CE07554A0B-3370-DA94@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com>

Hello Jim and everyone else----- I was on planes all day, just saw these posts. My esteemed compatriot George has given you the correct info. Jim, I look forward to seeing that information. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio. 





-----Original Message-----
From: gpaul2000 at aol.com
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


 Tim moved from Westminster 5 years ago, so don't send anything there!  The PO Box 747, Henrietta, NY  14467 address is correct.  You can also contact him at phonophan at aol.com.George P.   -----Original Message-----From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:37 pmSubject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim FabrizioTim Fabrizio's mailing address is:  396 Westminster Rd. (or: P.O. Box 747) Henrietta, NY  14467  Or, you can email him at his phonophan webpage:  http://www.phonophan.com/  Greg Bogantz   ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimcip at earthlink.net> To: <Phono-L at oldcrank.org> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio  >I attempted to send some copies of some excerpts from an article on Charles >Sumner Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the >organ of the City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society that >suggest that Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut wax >disc recording as well as the acid etched > duplicating process to obtain Mr. Fabrizio's thoughts on the matter but my > letter, sent to P.O. Box 10307 in Rochester, New York came back.    Can > anyone provide me with > Mr. Fabrizio's current mailing address?    Thanks! > Jim Cartwright > Immortal Performances > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org  _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org  _______________________________________________Phono-L mailing listhttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org
 

From phonophan at aol.com  Mon Feb  1 19:26:40 2010
From: phonophan at aol.com (phonophan at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:26:40 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
In-Reply-To: <380-22010211181659468@earthlink.net>
References: <380-22010211181659468@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CC71CEAB1D82BC-3370-DBD4@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com>

Hello Jim and everyone else----- I was on planes all day, just saw these posts. My esteemed compatriot George has given you the correct info. Jim, I look forward to seeing that information. Cheers, Tim Fabrizio. 





-----Original Message-----
From: jimcip at earthlink.net <jimcip at earthlink.net>
To: Phono-L at oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 1:16 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


I attempted to send some copies of some excerpts from an article on Charles Sumner Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the organ of the City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society that suggest that Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut wax disc recording as well as the acid etchedduplicating process to obtain Mr. Fabrizio's thoughts on the matter but my letter, sent to P.O. Box 10307 in Rochester, New York came back.    Can anyone provide me withMr. Fabrizio's current mailing address?    Thanks!Jim CartwrightImmortal Performancesjimcip at earthlink.net_______________________________________________Phono-L mailing listhttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org
 
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From Tubanuts at aol.com  Tue Feb  2 18:22:59 2010
From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:22:59 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a 78 record.
Message-ID: <1635.787338b3.389a3803@aol.com>

In 1960 a friend had restored a Wurlitzer model 1500 and invited me over to 
 see it.
The first record he played intrigued me with its lyrics and catchy  tune.
It was called "Riding on the Elevated Railroad".  I have looked for 50  
years for this tune again and just recently found the lyrics on a Google search 
 locating them on some forum. 
 
The original was written by minstrel Sam Devere in 1878 and a variant  
released by Winfred (Wendy) L. Holt in the 1930s according to the forum. It was  
most likely sung to the then popular tune "Riding on a Railroad Car"
 
The record I heard must have been a later release most likely in the 40s as 
 It sounded like an electronically
recorded 78 with very good bass.  
 
I sure would like to have at least a copy of the audio if not an  actual 78 
like the one I heard 50 years ago.
 
Any help to this end appreciated.  I'll try to post link to the  Lyrics.
 
Don in Iowa.   (tubadon40 at  AOL.com)         Link here? 
_http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=3373_ 
(http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=3373) 
 
                                                                            
        It's  about the 9th entry by Charly Noble

From khwright at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  2 18:25:53 2010
From: khwright at hotmail.com (Keith Wright)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:25:53 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
In-Reply-To: <1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>
References: <d1d.349c6a4c.360c4993@aol.com><000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick>,
	<BAY139-W534127218350A5D381D43AF6440@phx.gbl>,
	<1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>
Message-ID: <COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>



Hi Folks,

Some one I know with a Columbia 122 portable pointed out the angle at which the reproducer leans at the end of the arm.  I didn't think anything of it until I compared it with one of my HMVs.  Is there some problem with the Columbia or is this an inherent flaw with the make/model?  I've posted the photos on the page below (it should work with a copy-and-paste):

http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html

Thanks,
Keith 


 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________


From bruce78rpm at comcast.net  Tue Feb  2 18:55:04 2010
From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:55:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] How to Make a Table Model Victor
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Get out your Chain Saw !! 

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From chrisk33 at cox.net  Tue Feb  2 20:38:38 2010
From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:38:38 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
In-Reply-To: <COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>
References: <d1d.349c6a4c.360c4993@aol.com><000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick>,
	<BAY139-W534127218350A5D381D43AF6440@phx.gbl>,
	<1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>
	<COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>
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It should be straight up and down as with your HMV.  Beyond hurting the 
sound, this can harm the records.  From my limited experience, the 
problem with the portable could be a wrong tonearm.   Raising it at the 
other end will correct the angle.  I had to do that with my General 
Phonograph Model E, which had the wrong arm, by making a circular disk 
out of wood like a large, fat washer.

Also, by the way, the tip of the needle should swing over the center of 
the spindle (for the correct tracking angle with respect to the 
groove).  If the tonearm is too long, this can result in the needle 
being too straight up and down, which will create too much drag and also 
hurt the records.  I saw a Victor pamphlet that said the ideal angle of 
the needle with respect to the groove was 60 degrees.

Chris

Keith Wright wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Some one I know with a Columbia 122 portable pointed out the angle at which the reproducer leans at the end of the arm.  I didn't think anything of it until I compared it with one of my HMVs.  Is there some problem with the Columbia or is this an inherent flaw with the make/model?  I've posted the photos on the page below (it should work with a copy-and-paste):
>
> http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
>
> Thanks,
> Keith 
>
>
>  		 	   		  
> _________________________________________________________________
>
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From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  2 21:02:01 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:02:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] How to Make a Table Model Victor
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OMG, another machine bites the dust. At least it wasn't a Flat Top Pooley!!!!
Harvey Kravitz




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Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 6:55:04 PM
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From backden at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  2 21:50:50 2010
From: backden at yahoo.com (Dennis Back)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:50:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a 78 record.
In-Reply-To: <1635.787338b3.389a3803@aol.com>
Message-ID: <919335.3089.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You got my curiosity up and I googled.? I found a version of "Riding on the Elevated Railroad" by Frankie Wallace.? There is an excerpt of it here:

http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=36054

It was played on the Dr. Demento radio show of Feb. 1, 2009.

http://dmdb.org/cgi-bin/plinfo.pl?drd09.0201.html

You can purchase a download of the show for $2.00 here:

http://drdemento.com/online.html?c=e2&s=s

It was a show he did on the subject of trains.

I hope this was of some help to you....and hopefully it's the version you heard back in 1960 on the jukebox.

Dennis 

 
--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Tubanuts at aol.com <Tubanuts at aol.com> wrote:

From: Tubanuts at aol.com <Tubanuts at aol.com>
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a 78 record.
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 9:22 PM

In 1960 a friend had restored a Wurlitzer model 1500 and invited me over to 
 see it.
The first record he played intrigued me with its lyrics and catchy? tune.
It was called "Riding on the Elevated Railroad".? I have looked for 50? 
years for this tune again and just recently found the lyrics on a Google search 
 locating them on some forum. .........................
 



      

From KEEPERH2O at aol.com  Tue Feb  2 22:03:26 2010
From: KEEPERH2O at aol.com (KEEPERH2O at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 01:03:26 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] How to Make a Table Model Victor
Message-ID: <182.4e9f2570.389a6bae@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/2/2010 9:33:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
harveykravitz at yahoo.com writes:

OMG,  another machine bites the dust. At least it wasn't a Flat Top  
Pooley!!!!
Harvey Kravitz


Really!  They're much better made into liquor cabinets!
 
Cheers, Everyone,
 
; )
 
Edwaste 

From rvuill at comcast.net  Wed Feb  3 04:49:11 2010
From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 07:49:11 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] How to Make a Table Model Victor
References: <1655416324.2576881265165704873.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<816247.17499.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <948320F1337844C5B042AB149C8F243E@HPPC>

I saw something almost as bad.  A couple of years ago there was a Victrola 
XVIII on eBay cut down into a table top machine.  Whoever cut it down did a 
very professional job.  I think I even bid on it.  As I recall, it sold for 
a little over $200.
Bob
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To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] How to Make a Table Model Victor


> OMG, another machine bites the dust. At least it wasn't a Flat Top 
> Pooley!!!!
> Harvey Kravitz
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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> To: Phono-L <Phono-L at oldcrank.org>; Phonolist <Phonolist at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 6:55:04 PM
> Subject: [Phono-L] How to Make a Table Model Victor
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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From edisone1 at verizon.net  Wed Feb  3 09:35:58 2010
From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:35:58 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
References: <d1d.349c6a4c.360c4993@aol.com><000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick>,
	<BAY139-W534127218350A5D381D43AF6440@phx.gbl>,
	<1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>
	<COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7511073D27F642A78D7CC6176AC105E0@moms>

 Is that the correct reproducer ?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Wright" <khwright at hotmail.com>
To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:25 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?


>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Some one I know with a Columbia 122 portable pointed out the angle at 
> which the reproducer leans at the end of the arm.  I didn't think anything 
> of it until I compared it with one of my HMVs.  Is there some problem with 
> the Columbia or is this an inherent flaw with the make/model?  I've posted 
> the photos on the page below (it should work with a copy-and-paste):
>
> http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
>
> Thanks,
> Keith


From lekirk357 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  3 10:59:01 2010
From: lekirk357 at sbcglobal.net (Lee Kirk)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:59:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
In-Reply-To: <8CC7199D8ADEF5F-52E0-43C4@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>
References: <380-22010211181659468@earthlink.net>
	<A298C960B0454D25AF046064BA513033@gbhpa1514n>
	<8CC7199D8ADEF5F-52E0-43C4@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <615096.37669.qm@web83814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I am Brandy Kirk and I am so sorry to let you know that? (pappa)Lee passed away January 28th at home.




________________________________
From: "gpaul2000 at aol.com" <gpaul2000 at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 1:08:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


Tim moved from Westminster 5 years ago, so don't send anything there!? The PO Box 747, Henrietta, NY? 14467 address is correct.? You can also contact him at phonophan at aol.com.

George P.








-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


Tim Fabrizio's mailing address is: 

396 Westminster Rd. 
(or: P.O. Box 747) 
Henrietta, NY? 14467 

Or, you can email him at his phonophan webpage: 

http://www.phonophan.com/ 

Greg Bogantz 


----- Original Message ----- From: <jimcip at earthlink.net> 
To: <Phono-L at oldcrank.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:16 PM 
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio 

>I attempted to send some copies of some excerpts from an article on Charles >Sumner Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the >organ of the City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society that >suggest that Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut wax >disc recording as well as the acid etched 
> duplicating process to obtain Mr. Fabrizio's thoughts on the matter but my > letter, sent to P.O. Box 10307 in Rochester, New York came back.? ? Can > anyone provide me with 
> Mr. Fabrizio's current mailing address?? ? Thanks! 
> Jim Cartwright 
> Immortal Performances 
> 
> 
> jimcip at earthlink.net 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? 
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From victrola at triton.net  Wed Feb  3 11:21:33 2010
From: victrola at triton.net (George)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:21:33 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
References: <380-22010211181659468@earthlink.net><A298C960B0454D25AF046064BA513033@gbhpa1514n><8CC7199D8ADEF5F-52E0-43C4@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>
	<615096.37669.qm@web83814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <74D48949FA194DC7BCD4F399CF797295@VALUEDCB7D4C82>

So very sorry to hear about this Brandy. You have my sympathy. Lee and I had done business many times.
George
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lee Kirk 
  To: Antique Phonograph List 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


  I am Brandy Kirk and I am so sorry to let you know that (pappa)Lee passed away January 28th at home.




  ________________________________
  From: "gpaul2000 at aol.com" <gpaul2000 at aol.com>
  To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
  Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 1:08:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


  Tim moved from Westminster 5 years ago, so don't send anything there! The PO Box 747, Henrietta, NY 14467 address is correct. You can also contact him at phonophan at aol.com.

  George P.








  -----Original Message-----
  From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
  To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
  Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:37 pm
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


  Tim Fabrizio's mailing address is: 

  396 Westminster Rd. 
  (or: P.O. Box 747) 
  Henrietta, NY 14467 

  Or, you can email him at his phonophan webpage: 

  http://www.phonophan.com/ 

  Greg Bogantz 


  ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimcip at earthlink.net> 
  To: <Phono-L at oldcrank.org> 
  Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:16 PM 
  Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio 

  >I attempted to send some copies of some excerpts from an article on Charles >Sumner Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the >organ of the City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society that >suggest that Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut wax >disc recording as well as the acid etched 
  > duplicating process to obtain Mr. Fabrizio's thoughts on the matter but my > letter, sent to P.O. Box 10307 in Rochester, New York came back. Can > anyone provide me with 
  > Mr. Fabrizio's current mailing address? Thanks! 
  > Jim Cartwright 
  > Immortal Performances 
  > 
  > 
  > jimcip at earthlink.net 
  > _______________________________________________ 
  > Phono-L mailing list 
  > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Wed Feb  3 11:11:40 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:11:40 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio
In-Reply-To: <615096.37669.qm@web83814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <380-22010211181659468@earthlink.net><A298C960B0454D25AF046064BA513033@gbhpa1514n><8CC7199D8ADEF5F-52E0-43C4@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com><615096.37669.qm@web83814.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <445320496-1265224135-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-915318169-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I am very sorry to hear that. I dealt with Lee on a few occasions. He was a very nice gentleman. I send you my deepest sympathy.
John Robles
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Kirk <lekirk357 at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:59:01 
To: Antique Phonograph List<phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio

I am Brandy Kirk and I am so sorry to let you know that? (pappa)Lee passed away January 28th at home.




________________________________
From: "gpaul2000 at aol.com" <gpaul2000 at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 1:08:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


Tim moved from Westminster 5 years ago, so don't send anything there!? The PO Box 747, Henrietta, NY? 14467 address is correct.? You can also contact him at phonophan at aol.com.

George P.








-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio


Tim Fabrizio's mailing address is: 

396 Westminster Rd. 
(or: P.O. Box 747) 
Henrietta, NY? 14467 

Or, you can email him at his phonophan webpage: 

http://www.phonophan.com/ 

Greg Bogantz 


----- Original Message ----- From: <jimcip at earthlink.net> 
To: <Phono-L at oldcrank.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:16 PM 
Subject: [Phono-L] Need Address for Tim Fabrizio 

>I attempted to send some copies of some excerpts from an article on Charles >Sumner Tainter's 1881 Home Notes that appeared in "For the Record" the >organ of the City of London Antique Phonograph and Gramophone Society that >suggest that Tainter, not Berliner, was the originator of lateral cut wax >disc recording as well as the acid etched 
> duplicating process to obtain Mr. Fabrizio's thoughts on the matter but my > letter, sent to P.O. Box 10307 in Rochester, New York came back.? ? Can > anyone provide me with 
> Mr. Fabrizio's current mailing address?? ? Thanks! 
> Jim Cartwright 
> Immortal Performances 
> 
> 
> jimcip at earthlink.net 
>_______________________________________________ 
> Phono-L mailing list 
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org? 
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From Tubanuts at aol.com  Wed Feb  3 20:52:19 2010
From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:52:19 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a 78 record.
Message-ID: <20cc8.3fb48e42.389bac83@aol.com>

Hi Dennis and Thanks.  I sure got a lot of Train songs plus some BS  for 
two bucks.  I recorded the whole show waiting for the Next to last  
tune-Riding on the Elevated Railroad.
It was appreciated very much however the lyrics were quite a bit different  
than the one I found posted and remembered.
This was a 1928 version and If it didn't have the name with it I would have 
 labled it sung by Jimmy Rogers yodel and all.
I will keep looking for the later version but just wanted you to know  I 
enjoyed hearing this old version which had the proper melody as  well.
 
Thank you very much for the help. 
Don
 

From appywander at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  4 00:23:16 2010
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 03:23:16 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a 78 record.
In-Reply-To: <20cc8.3fb48e42.389bac83@aol.com>
References: <20cc8.3fb48e42.389bac83@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W14267F7E85373F7AC8581FDC550@phx.gbl>


Just FYI, the late-1920's Victor artist's (aka 'The Singing Brakeman') name is spelled 'Jimmie Rodgers', not "Jimmy Rogers".

> From: Tubanuts at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:52:19 -0500
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking for a 78 record.
> 
> Hi Dennis and Thanks.  I sure got a lot of Train songs plus some BS  for 
> two bucks.  I recorded the whole show waiting for the Next to last  
> tune-Riding on the Elevated Railroad.
> It was appreciated very much however the lyrics were quite a bit different  
> than the one I found posted and remembered.
> This was a 1928 version and If it didn't have the name with it I would have 
>  labled it sung by Jimmy Rogers yodel and all.
> I will keep looking for the later version but just wanted you to know  I 
> enjoyed hearing this old version which had the proper melody as  well.
>  
> Thank you very much for the help. 
> Don
>  
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From klinger at modex.com  Thu Feb  4 16:52:13 2010
From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:52:13 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference Travel Grants -- Deadline Reminder 2010
Message-ID: <2394D615344C4F208B7A5B4BA6C7FC43@WEKDesktop>

The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click
on the link or e-mail address below.

--- ARSC CONFERENCE TRAVEL GRANTS: DEADLINE REMINDER ---

Application Deadline: February 12, 2010

The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is now accepting applications
for ARSC Conference Travel Grants to be awarded in 2010.

The grants are designed to:
-- encourage ARSC members to attend their first ARSC conference
-- reach out to college students and professionals in the early stages of
their careers
-- promote mentoring and professional development opportunities
-- advance scholarly research and publication
-- support ARSC members who desire to participate more actively in the
association.

Grant recipients are awarded:
-- complimentary registration for the entire ARSC Annual Conference
-- gratis registration for the Pre-Conference Workshop, and
-- reimbursement up to US$750 to defray the expenses of transportation and
lodging (upon approval of valid receipts, to be submitted after the
conference).

At the time of application, the applicant must be a member of ARSC in good
standing, planning to attend his or her first ARSC conference. The applicant
must also be one of the following:
-- a college or university student aspiring to work with sound recordings
-- a recent graduate seeking a professional position involving sound
recordings
-- a professional within the first five years of his or her career, who has
demonstrated a dedication to sound recordings
-- a researcher or discographer showing compelling prospects for the
publication or dissemination of his or her scholarly work.

Each applicant must submit:
-- a letter of application describing the applicant's background and current
activities, clearly indicating why the applicant merits consideration for an
ARSC Conference Travel Grant
-- a proposed budget for travel costs
-- an itemization of any non-ARSC funds that the applicant may receive
toward ARSC conference attendance, such as institutional support, etc.
-- a brief resume or curriculum vitae, and
-- two letters of support, sent separately.

The letter of application and supporting materials must be received by
February 12, 2010. Send them by mail or e-mail to:
Louise Spear, ARSC Conference Travel Grant Committee
American Musical and Dramatic Academy
6305 Yucca Street
Los Angeles, CA 90028
LSpear at ucla.edu

For more information, visit:
http://www.arsc-audio.org/grants-committee.html
or e-mail:
LSpear at ucla.edu

Applicants will be notified about the award decisions by March 12, 2010.



The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals --
everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound.


From artempo42 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  4 20:07:16 2010
From: artempo42 at sbcglobal.net (jerry f bacon)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:07:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Credenza 8-1
Message-ID: <14030.95681.qm@web180104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello to all.
The Victor 8-1 has sold and is on it's way to the far west. I thank all of you for your interest.
Kindest Regards 
Jerry F Bacon-Dallas,Texas

From YesteryearPhono at aol.com  Fri Feb  5 07:08:51 2010
From: YesteryearPhono at aol.com (YesteryearPhono at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:08:51 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Hello from Mike Dawicki
Message-ID: <67d9.e5326e.389d8e83@aol.com>

Hi Bruce,
Im thinking of selling my Phonograph collection To buy a Classic 1950s  
car...Id like a Cadillac 1954-1957
or maybe a 56 or 57 Chevy Bel Air ...My cell number is 508-274-6784..If you 
 know of anyone intersested in the collection please pass on my number. It 
would  be sold as a collection only not as individual pieces..
 
Thanks Mike Dawicki
 
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From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Fri Feb  5 10:31:35 2010
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:31:35 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Hello from Mike Dawicki
Message-ID: <410-22010255183135125@earthlink.net>

Since I was one of the recipients of your message, and also that I have
cars, I thought I'd share some impressions with you. You need to tell what
the phono collection consists of. This isn't the best time in history to
sell off any kind of collection, but if it's what you want to do, go ahead
with it. 

It's also not a good time for someone to sell collector cars, so it keeps
both parties on a level playing field. I don't know your location, but
there is a guy in Oakland county, Michigan, who had a '54 Cadillac for sale
a while back, and may still have it. My phone is (248) 627-4141, if you'd
like to call, evenings. 


> [Original Message]
> From: <YesteryearPhono at aol.com>
> To: <Bruce78rpm at comcast.net>
> Cc: <phono-l-request at oldcrank.org>; <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 2/5/2010 10:34:37 AM
> Subject: [Phono-L] Hello from Mike Dawicki
>
> Hi Bruce,
> Im thinking of selling my Phonograph collection To buy a Classic 1950s  
> car...Id like a Cadillac 1954-1957
> or maybe a 56 or 57 Chevy Bel Air ...My cell number is 508-274-6784..If
you 
>  know of anyone intersested in the collection please pass on my number.
It 
> would  be sold as a collection only not as individual pieces..
>  
> Thanks Mike Dawicki
>  
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From msprinzen at juno.com  Fri Feb  5 12:58:35 2010
From: msprinzen at juno.com (msprinzen at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 20:58:35 GMT
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Message-ID: <20100205.155835.9897.5@webmail18.dca.untd.com>

I know many of you do this for a living, and so I hate to ask...  But, if someone was willing to help me I'd be deeply indebted.
My boyfriend is in the final stages of having his 1933 Chevy Master Eagle fully (and beautifully) restored.  It's going to be a grand sight moving down the road.  I'd like to compile several CDs-worth of music that would have been popular that year, so the music we listen to while riding in it matches the vehicle -- it just seems the thing to do.  And it might make a nice Valentine's gift, but if the timing is too short it doesn't need to be.
At the moment, though, I'm computer challenged and so can't pull in the music and organize it and, besides, don't really have the knowledge about which tunes (and which versions) would be best.
Is this anyone's idea of a fun project?
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Fri Feb  5 13:27:41 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:27:41 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Message-ID: <969131451-1265405087-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1465777169-@bda006.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Not something I am versed in but a splendid idea! You should cruise about with the windows down and the music blasting like kids today do it! Imagine the double takes!
John Robles
------Original Message------
From: msprinzen at juno.com
Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Sent: Feb 5, 2010 12:58 PM

I know many of you do this for a living, and so I hate to ask...  But, if someone was willing to help me I'd be deeply indebted.
My boyfriend is in the final stages of having his 1933 Chevy Master Eagle fully (and beautifully) restored.  It's going to be a grand sight moving down the road.  I'd like to compile several CDs-worth of music that would have been popular that year, so the music we listen to while riding in it matches the vehicle -- it just seems the thing to do.  And it might make a nice Valentine's gift, but if the timing is too short it doesn't need to be.
At the moment, though, I'm computer challenged and so can't pull in the music and organize it and, besides, don't really have the knowledge about which tunes (and which versions) would be best.
Is this anyone's idea of a fun project?
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From backden at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  5 13:35:48 2010
From: backden at yahoo.com (Dennis Back)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:35:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
In-Reply-To: <20100205.155835.9897.5@webmail18.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <130552.35707.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Merle,

I did a quick google search of 1933 hits and came up with this link:

http://www.popculturemadness.com/Music/Pop-Old/1933.html

It lists the most popular songs of 1933.? It also had a link for a 2 CD album of 1930's hit songs.

http://www.amazon.com/30-Hits-30s-Various-Artists/dp/B00069I72S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265405333&sr=1-2-catcorr

Although that album includes hits from ALL the 30's and not just 1933, there seems like a lot of great songs there.

I have a 1931 Model A Ford and I've equipped it with a Mikiphone and a bunch of Ford related disks and I play them sometimes when I'm at car functions.? 

I hope you have lots of fun in the Chevy.? My wife HATES the Model A as she says that the "fumes" give her a headache.? 

:-(?? 

Dennis



      

From hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com  Fri Feb  5 13:55:02 2010
From: hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com (Hawthorn's Antique Audio)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:55:02 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] commercial - new eBay record auction catalog now available
Message-ID: <27E8F0F98BBB49A984EA62F974E29FFF@Tom>

Hi Everyone, 

My new eBay record auction catalog #4 is now available for February and March.  It features many Edison Electric Diamond Discs, Edison Classical Diamond Discs, early 7" Columbias, jazz and blues 78s, record catalogs and supplements, and lots of odds and ends.  I'll be happy to send you a PDF copy on request.  Thanks!

Tom Hawthorn
Hawthorn's Antique Audio
www.thoseoldrecords.com
hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com

From msprinzen at juno.com  Fri Feb  5 14:06:26 2010
From: msprinzen at juno.com (msprinzen at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:06:26 GMT
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Message-ID: <20100205.170626.11176.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

I'm trying to create something a little more custom made so it feels like a special present, rather than just buying a CD.  At least that's my thought for now...  But if I strike out, then these links will be invaluable, and I really appreciate your taking the time on my behalf!

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Dennis Back <backden at yahoo.com>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:35:48 -0800 (PST)

Hi Merle,

I did a quick google search of 1933 hits and came up with this link:

http://www.popculturemadness.com/Music/Pop-Old/1933.html

It lists the most popular songs of 1933.  It also had a link for a 2 CD album of 1930's hit songs.

http://www.amazon.com/30-Hits-30s-Various-Artists/dp/B00069I72S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265405333&sr=1-2-catcorr

Although that album includes hits from ALL the 30's and not just 1933, there seems like a lot of great songs there.
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From smstitt at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 13:57:54 2010
From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:57:54 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
In-Reply-To: <130552.35707.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20100205.155835.9897.5@webmail18.dca.untd.com>
	<130552.35707.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7e8e90ff1002051357o16b7d6f5w77506e706eb9006a@mail.gmail.com>

In My Merry Oldsmobile? Darn that won't do, 1905. I had to do it! SORRY..
Oldcranky
Mike

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dennis Back <backden at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Merle,
>
> I did a quick google search of 1933 hits and came up with this link:
>
> http://www.popculturemadness.com/Music/Pop-Old/1933.html
>
> It lists the most popular songs of 1933.  It also had a link for a 2 CD
> album of 1930's hit songs.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/30-Hits-30s-Various-Artists/dp/B00069I72S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265405333&sr=1-2-catcorr
>
> Although that album includes hits from ALL the 30's and not just 1933,
> there seems like a lot of great songs there.
>
> I have a 1931 Model A Ford and I've equipped it with a Mikiphone and a
> bunch of Ford related disks and I play them sometimes when I'm at car
> functions.
>
> I hope you have lots of fun in the Chevy.  My wife HATES the Model A as she
> says that the "fumes" give her a headache.
>
> :-(
>
> Dennis
>
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From majesticrecord at snet.net  Fri Feb  5 14:39:23 2010
From: majesticrecord at snet.net (Glenn Longwell)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:39:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
In-Reply-To: <20100205.170626.11176.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <633023.95952.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Decca actually put out an 4 record set "Song of Our Times 1933"

I have a copy of it but two of the records have a hairline crack.
?
I've had it for sale on my set sale page for only a couple dollars.? If interested I can let you know what songs are on it.? However, it's a compilation put together by one artist, Charles Baum and his Orchestra.? I believe they are all pop tunes.
?
www.majesticrecord.com/78sforsale.htm
?
Scroll all the way down to the 3rd from last entry on the page.
?
Barring the idea of buying/trading for?the records I could look at potentially transferring these to a CD.
?
Let me know off list if interested.
?
Glenn

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, msprinzen at juno.com <msprinzen at juno.com> wrote:


From: msprinzen at juno.com <msprinzen at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 10:06 PM


I'm trying to create something a little more custom made so it feels like a special present, rather than just buying a CD.? At least that's my thought for now...? But if I strike out, then these links will be invaluable, and I really appreciate your taking the time on my behalf!

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Dennis Back <backden at yahoo.com>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:35:48 -0800 (PST)

Hi Merle,

I did a quick google search of 1933 hits and came up with this link:

http://www.popculturemadness.com/Music/Pop-Old/1933.html

It lists the most popular songs of 1933.? It also had a link for a 2 CD album of 1930's hit songs.

http://www.amazon.com/30-Hits-30s-Various-Artists/dp/B00069I72S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265405333&sr=1-2-catcorr

Although that album includes hits from ALL the 30's and not just 1933, there seems like a lot of great songs there.
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From msprinzen at juno.com  Fri Feb  5 15:09:14 2010
From: msprinzen at juno.com (msprinzen at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:09:14 GMT
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Message-ID: <20100205.180914.15419.4@webmail03.dca.untd.com>

Hey Everyone!  Thanks for the huge outpouring of ideas and offers -- some on list and others off list.  I'm now all set.  Hope everyone has a great weekend -- filled with football, music and otherwise!
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From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Fri Feb  5 15:44:45 2010
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:44:45 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Message-ID: <410-22010255234445828@earthlink.net>

MERLE;

I'm sure your boyfriend knows it, but I'll say it here anyway. Chevrolet offered a radio for their cars in 1934,and I believe, also '33. It was in two forms. Both mounted to the left of the steering column, and cantilevered off the firewall. The control head was part of the radio case, and protruded out from under the dash,about flush with the dash surface. One model, the 600566, had the speaker in the radio case, and it shouted out toward the passenger side of the car. The other model 600565, had an external speaker in a cylindrical case, that mounted in the middle of the firewall. The only difference in the two sets was the power amplifier stage in the set,which gave more output from one model, than the other. While it's true of the '34 Chevies, the mounting holes for the radio were already punched in the firewall for the radio and also for the speaker. They may be there in the '33's as well. The fabric top of the car has the antenna built into it, with the lead-in coming down the driver side "A" pillar. 

I'm a car collector myself, with 9 Cadillacs, an Oldsmobile and a 41 Chevrolet convertible. The Chevy has the 5 band radio in it, with lots of  very good audio. You can drive down the road with top down, and the radio going at a good level. It's almost like a sound truck, I live in the country, so I can get away with stuff like that. 

Anyhoo, if your pal has one of the Chevy factory sets in the '33, he could have a break-in audio input jack put on the set, reachable from the driver seat, and used with a portable battery operated CD player. 


> [Original Message]
> From: msprinzen at juno.com <msprinzen at juno.com>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 2/5/2010 5:07:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
>
> I'm trying to create something a little more custom made so it feels like a special present, rather than just buying a CD.  At least that's my thought for now...  But if I strike out, then these links will be invaluable, and I really appreciate your taking the time on my behalf!
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Dennis Back <backden at yahoo.com>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:35:48 -0800 (PST)
>
> Hi Merle,
>
> I did a quick google search of 1933 hits and came up with this link:
>
> http://www.popculturemadness.com/Music/Pop-Old/1933.html
>
> It lists the most popular songs of 1933.  It also had a link for a 2 CD album of 1930's hit songs.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/30-Hits-30s-Various-Artists/dp/B00069I72S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265405333&sr=1-2-catcorr
>
> Although that album includes hits from ALL the 30's and not just 1933, there seems like a lot of great songs there.
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From nauck at 78rpm.com  Fri Feb  5 17:28:08 2010
From: nauck at 78rpm.com (Kurt Nauck)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:28:08 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Phonographs, Records, Books & the ARSC Conference
Message-ID: <20100206012905.30AB5951732E@smtp56.dc2.safesecureweb.com>

Please forgive me if I've already posted this - I'm new to phono-l 
and don't receive the emails!


This week I posted a stunning Reginaphone on my website. This 
phonograph is being sold by Reverse Auction, which means the price 
goes down $100 every day. You can see the machine and its current 
price at <http://www.78rpm.com>www.78rpm.com

Our Resource Catalog is now fully updated! All books, discographies, 
turntables, audio equipment and record supplies are now posted, and 
many prices have been reduced. Additionally, we have 35 different 
sizes and shapes of Stanton 500 styli available ranging from .75 to 
5.0 mil in both Truncated Conical and Truncated Elliptical configurations.

Vintage Record Auction 47 will be going to the printer this month. 
Send me an email if you would like a copy; if you've been dropped due 
to inactivity, $15 will get you back on the mailing list. (Or you can 
access the auction at no charge on our website.) As always, we'll 
have roughly 10,000 78s, cylinders, Diamond Discs and radio 
transcriptions for sale, including many true rarities.

And last but not least, the 2010 ARSC Conference will be held in New 
Orleans May 19-22. It's a great opportunity to meet some fascinating 
people and hear some interesting presentations. Go to 
<http://www.arsc-audio.org>www.arsc-audio.org or email me for more information.

Take care,

Kurt Nauck
<http://www.78rpm.com>www.78rpm.com
<mailto:nauck at 78rpm.com>nauck at 78rpm.com

Kurt Nauck

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From msprinzen at juno.com  Sat Feb  6 06:00:16 2010
From: msprinzen at juno.com (Merle Sprinzen)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:00:16 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
Message-ID: <20100206.091652.3760.23.msprinzen@juno.com>

Hi Dennis --

Thanks SO much for all the great information!  I'll check to see whether
his has this -- I'm not remembering a radio but I might be wrong.  That
would sure be a lot of fun.  And even more than that, I'm grateful to
everyone on the list and really touched by the huge outpouring of offers
of assistance and knowledge.

Merle

On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:44:45 -0500 "Douglas Houston"
<cdh041 at earthlink.net> writes:
> MERLE;
> 
> I'm sure your boyfriend knows it, but I'll say it here anyway. 
> Chevrolet offered a radio for their cars in 1934,and I believe, also 
> '33. It was in two forms. Both mounted to the left of the steering 
> column, and cantilevered off the firewall. The control head was part 
> of the radio case, and protruded out from under the dash,about flush 
> with the dash surface. One model, the 600566, had the speaker in the 
> radio case, and it shouted out toward the passenger side of the car. 
> The other model 600565, had an external speaker in a cylindrical 
> case, that mounted in the middle of the firewall. The only 
> difference in the two sets was the power amplifier stage in the 
> set,which gave more output from one model, than the other. While 
> it's true of the '34 Chevies, the mounting holes for the radio were 
> already punched in the firewall for the radio and also for the 
> speaker. They may be there in the '33's as well. The fabric top of 
> the car has the antenna built into it, with the lead-in coming d
>  own the driver side "A" pillar. 
> 
> I'm a car collector myself, with 9 Cadillacs, an Oldsmobile and a 41 
> Chevrolet convertible. The Chevy has the 5 band radio in it, with 
> lots of  very good audio. You can drive down the road with top down, 
> and the radio going at a good level. It's almost like a sound truck, 
> I live in the country, so I can get away with stuff like that. 
> 
> Anyhoo, if your pal has one of the Chevy factory sets in the '33, he 
> could have a break-in audio input jack put on the set, reachable 
> from the driver seat, and used with a portable battery operated CD 
> player. 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: msprinzen at juno.com <msprinzen at juno.com>
> > To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Date: 2/5/2010 5:07:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
> >
> > I'm trying to create something a little more custom made so it 
> feels like a special present, rather than just buying a CD.  At 
> least that's my thought for now...  But if I strike out, then these 
> links will be invaluable, and I really appreciate your taking the 
> time on my behalf!
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Dennis Back <backden at yahoo.com>
> > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A favor -- 1933 hits
> > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:35:48 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > Hi Merle,
> >
> > I did a quick google search of 1933 hits and came up with this 
> link:
> >
> > http://www.popculturemadness.com/Music/Pop-Old/1933.html
> >
> > It lists the most popular songs of 1933.  It also had a link for a 
> 2 CD album of 1930's hit songs.
> >
> > 
>
http://www.amazon.com/30-Hits-30s-Various-Artists/dp/B00069I72S/ref=sr_1_
2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265405333&sr=1-2-catcorr
> >
> > Although that album includes hits from ALL the 30's and not just 
> 1933, there seems like a lot of great songs there.
> > ____________________________________________________________
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> > Improve your home. Click for products, services, and project 
> ideas.
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From bruce78rpm at comcast.net  Sat Feb  6 10:30:09 2010
From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 18:30:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] Talking Book - Black Americana Record
Message-ID: <1631483753.485391265481009883.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Watermelon-coon-Talking-book-record-1919-antique_W0QQitemZ120525550961QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item1c0fe1f571QQautorefreshZtrue 

This unusual Talking book selection from 1919 just sold for almost $200.00 on ebay. 


From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 12:47:35 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:47:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph
Message-ID: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Gang, 
I have a very good friend and fellow collector(John Hoffman) who is looking for an Orthophonic style reproducer for a Kimball Machine. It is a copy of a Victrola Credenza. Any information and help will be greatly appreciated.
Harvey Kravitz



      

From smstitt at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 13:16:31 2010
From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:16:31 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Talking Book - Black Americana Record
In-Reply-To: <1631483753.485391265481009883.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1631483753.485391265481009883.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7e8e90ff1002061316r77299b73k50a3157e73702a7e@mail.gmail.com>

Yes it does seem they have dropped a little.
Oldcranky

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:30 AM, <bruce78rpm at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Watermelon-coon-Talking-book-record-1919-antique_W0QQitemZ120525550961QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item1c0fe1f571QQautorefreshZtrue
>
> This unusual Talking book selection from 1919 just sold for almost $200.00
> on ebay.
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From tomj33 at msn.com  Sat Feb  6 13:39:13 2010
From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 15:39:13 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph
In-Reply-To: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl>

What kind of information are you looking for?  I own a Kimball machine
myself.  I can get you some photos of my machine if you'd like.

Here are a couple of links regarding this machine:
http://www.gracyk.com/makers.shtml    
This is Tim Gracyk's Phonographs, Singers and old records.  He references
the Kimball machine in this book: Kimball -- W. W. Kimball Company, Kimball
Building, Chicago, Illinois. May 1920. (Trademark filed 2/5/1918; used since
1/15/1918

http://www.arcade-museum.com/mtr/MTR-1923-76-8/MTR-1923-76-8-16.pdf   This
is an old newspaper in PDF form with a Kimball Phonograph ad in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of harvey kravitz
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

Hi Gang, 
I have a very good friend and fellow collector(John Hoffman) who is looking
for an Orthophonic style reproducer for a Kimball Machine. It is a copy of a
Victrola Credenza. Any information and help will be greatly appreciated.
Harvey Kravitz



      
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From tomj33 at msn.com  Sat Feb  6 13:50:09 2010
From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 15:50:09 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl>
References: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP71189089610B0D996C800DD9530@phx.gbl>

The Kimball that I own didn't come with an Orthophonic style reproducer.  In
fact the reproducer is connected to the tone arm with a rubber connector
that it presses into instead of latching into the arm like most Victrola
style machines.  I have a second reproducer for it and it is attached in the
same way.

Here is a link that shows some pictures of my example:

http://cid-83f0a6af3a1d66ec.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Kimball%20Phonogra
ph%5E6?authkey=h6g!0QlxMvA%24

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Jordan
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:39 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

What kind of information are you looking for?  I own a Kimball machine
myself.  I can get you some photos of my machine if you'd like.

Here are a couple of links regarding this machine:
http://www.gracyk.com/makers.shtml    
This is Tim Gracyk's Phonographs, Singers and old records.  He references
the Kimball machine in this book: Kimball -- W. W. Kimball Company, Kimball
Building, Chicago, Illinois. May 1920. (Trademark filed 2/5/1918; used since
1/15/1918

http://www.arcade-museum.com/mtr/MTR-1923-76-8/MTR-1923-76-8-16.pdf   This
is an old newspaper in PDF form with a Kimball Phonograph ad in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of harvey kravitz
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

Hi Gang, 
I have a very good friend and fellow collector(John Hoffman) who is looking
for an Orthophonic style reproducer for a Kimball Machine. It is a copy of a
Victrola Credenza. Any information and help will be greatly appreciated.
Harvey Kravitz



      
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From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 13:59:28 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:59:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl>
References: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <806423.79395.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Tom, 
Thank you for your reply. The machine that John has looks like an Orthophonic Credenza with the curved tone arm. What he is looking for is an Orthophonic style reproducer or a picture of one so he knows what to look for. I'd like to see your machine. 
All the best, 
Harvey Kravitz





________________________________
From: Tom Jordan <tomj33 at msn.com>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 1:39:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

What kind of information are you looking for?  I own a Kimball machine
myself.  I can get you some photos of my machine if you'd like.

Here are a couple of links regarding this machine:
http://www.gracyk.com/makers.shtml    
This is Tim Gracyk's Phonographs, Singers and old records.  He references
the Kimball machine in this book: Kimball -- W. W. Kimball Company, Kimball
Building, Chicago, Illinois. May 1920. (Trademark filed 2/5/1918; used since
1/15/1918

http://www.arcade-museum.com/mtr/MTR-1923-76-8/MTR-1923-76-8-16.pdf   This
is an old newspaper in PDF form with a Kimball Phonograph ad in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of harvey kravitz
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

Hi Gang, 
I have a very good friend and fellow collector(John Hoffman) who is looking
for an Orthophonic style reproducer for a Kimball Machine. It is a copy of a
Victrola Credenza. Any information and help will be greatly appreciated.
Harvey Kravitz



      
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From tomj33 at msn.com  Sat Feb  6 14:02:34 2010
From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:02:34 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph
In-Reply-To: <806423.79395.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl>
	<806423.79395.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP57605DE47A6F2495881EB7D9530@phx.gbl>

I just sent a link to some pictures of my machine.  You'll need to cut and
paste it into a browser as the e-mail message cut off the last portion of
the link.

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of harvey kravitz
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:59 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

Hi Tom, 
Thank you for your reply. The machine that John has looks like an
Orthophonic Credenza with the curved tone arm. What he is looking for is an
Orthophonic style reproducer or a picture of one so he knows what to look
for. I'd like to see your machine. 
All the best, 
Harvey Kravitz





________________________________
From: Tom Jordan <tomj33 at msn.com>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 1:39:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

What kind of information are you looking for?  I own a Kimball machine
myself.  I can get you some photos of my machine if you'd like.

Here are a couple of links regarding this machine:
http://www.gracyk.com/makers.shtml    
This is Tim Gracyk's Phonographs, Singers and old records.  He references
the Kimball machine in this book: Kimball -- W. W. Kimball Company, Kimball
Building, Chicago, Illinois. May 1920. (Trademark filed 2/5/1918; used since
1/15/1918

http://www.arcade-museum.com/mtr/MTR-1923-76-8/MTR-1923-76-8-16.pdf   This
is an old newspaper in PDF form with a Kimball Phonograph ad in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of harvey kravitz
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

Hi Gang, 
I have a very good friend and fellow collector(John Hoffman) who is looking
for an Orthophonic style reproducer for a Kimball Machine. It is a copy of a
Victrola Credenza. Any information and help will be greatly appreciated.
Harvey Kravitz



      
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From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 14:36:34 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:36:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP71189089610B0D996C800DD9530@phx.gbl>
References: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl>
	<BLU0-SMTP71189089610B0D996C800DD9530@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <539481.61187.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Tom, 
You have the earlier, more conventional Kimball. anyway, I appreciate your efforts.
All the best, 
Harvey




________________________________
From: Tom Jordan <tomj33 at msn.com>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 1:50:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

The Kimball that I own didn't come with an Orthophonic style reproducer.  In
fact the reproducer is connected to the tone arm with a rubber connector
that it presses into instead of latching into the arm like most Victrola
style machines.  I have a second reproducer for it and it is attached in the
same way.

Here is a link that shows some pictures of my example:

http://cid-83f0a6af3a1d66ec.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Kimball%20Phonogra
ph%5E6?authkey=h6g!0QlxMvA%24

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Jordan
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:39 PM
To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

What kind of information are you looking for?  I own a Kimball machine
myself.  I can get you some photos of my machine if you'd like.

Here are a couple of links regarding this machine:
http://www.gracyk.com/makers.shtml    
This is Tim Gracyk's Phonographs, Singers and old records.  He references
the Kimball machine in this book: Kimball -- W. W. Kimball Company, Kimball
Building, Chicago, Illinois. May 1920. (Trademark filed 2/5/1918; used since
1/15/1918

http://www.arcade-museum.com/mtr/MTR-1923-76-8/MTR-1923-76-8-16.pdf   This
is an old newspaper in PDF form with a Kimball Phonograph ad in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of harvey kravitz
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Kimball Orthophonic Style Phonograph

Hi Gang, 
I have a very good friend and fellow collector(John Hoffman) who is looking
for an Orthophonic style reproducer for a Kimball Machine. It is a copy of a
Victrola Credenza. Any information and help will be greatly appreciated.
Harvey Kravitz



      
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From mdsorter at aol.com  Sat Feb  6 16:16:06 2010
From: mdsorter at aol.com (mdsorter at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:16:06 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] commercial - new eBay record auction catalog now
	available
In-Reply-To: <27E8F0F98BBB49A984EA62F974E29FFF@Tom>
References: <27E8F0F98BBB49A984EA62F974E29FFF@Tom>
Message-ID: <8CC75A1E0680EDF-4E08-120EF@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>


Hi Tom,

I'd like a copy.

Thanks!

Mike Sorter






-----Original Message-----
From: Hawthorn's Antique Audio <hawthorn at thoseoldrecords.com>
To: Maillist Phono-L <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 1:55 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] commercial - new eBay record auction catalog now available


Hi Everyone, 
My new eBay record auction catalog #4 is now available for February and March.  
t features many Edison Electric Diamond Discs, Edison Classical Diamond Discs, 
arly 7" Columbias, jazz and blues 78s, record catalogs and supplements, and 
ots of odds and ends.  I'll be happy to send you a PDF copy on request.  
hanks!
Tom Hawthorn
awthorn's Antique Audio
ww.thoseoldrecords.com
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From zonophone2006 at aol.com  Sun Feb  7 08:34:07 2010
From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:34:07 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Talking Book - Black Americana Record
In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff1002061316r77299b73k50a3157e73702a7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1631483753.485391265481009883.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<7e8e90ff1002061316r77299b73k50a3157e73702a7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC762A7FD9C0AF-834-1B0DD@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com>


 

 HI ALL
i was a bidder on this 
i purchased one on ebay a few months ago that was mint
this one had tearing and damage but still a good one
the canadians did not allow the title on the front as the american version has it
zono


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Talking Book - Black Americana Record


Yes it does seem they have dropped a little.
Oldcranky

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:30 AM, <bruce78rpm at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Watermelon-coon-Talking-book-record-1919-antique_W0QQitemZ120525550961QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item1c0fe1f571QQautorefreshZtrue
>
> This unusual Talking book selection from 1919 just sold for almost $200.00
> on ebay.
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From RKolba0211 at aol.com  Sun Feb  7 11:57:31 2010
From: RKolba0211 at aol.com (RKolba0211 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:57:31 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Edison Cylinder
Message-ID: <97fa.1a2b02c1.38a0752b@aol.com>

Recently, there have been quite a few comments about Edison 4 minute wax  
cylinder #473, E. H. Shackleton's MY SOUTH POLAR EXPEDITION. Most collectors  
would rate this as the rarest of all Edison 4 minute wax cylinders. I have 
just  listed on Ebay what, I believe to be, a cylinder that is rarer than 
the  Shackleton cylinder. It is Theodore Roosevelt's speech (#1146) 
PROGRESSIVE  COVENANT WITH THE PEOPLE. While Roosevelt's other three Edison recorded 
speeches  were later transferred to Blue Amberol (April, 1919), this 
recording was not  since the Progressive Party (aka Bull Moose Party) had faded into 
 oblivion.

From t at edisonTriumph.com  Mon Feb  8 01:29:36 2010
From: t at edisonTriumph.com (t at edisonTriumph.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:29:36 GMT
Subject: [Phono-L] Rare Edison Concert (5") Machine For Sale
Message-ID: <201002071528.3UHRQ00@cat2.com>

For Sale:  Last version Edison Concert phonograph in Triumph - style raised
panel case.  This is one of about a dozen such machines known.  Frow states:
"The 1906 model was catalogued only for a matter of months, there being
little residual interest in the large cylinders, and it must be rarely found
today."  Unique knurled endgate knob seldom seen.

Excellent restored condition.  Serial number 11,392.  Asking $4,750 plus
shipping.  Possible delivery to NC show or Stanton auction.

Please call or email for pictures or other details.  I've posted 25 pictures
on shuttlefly at:

      http://edisonconcert11392.shutterfly.com/

Terry Baer, St. Louis, telephone: 314.495.9027, email:  t at edisonTriumph.com 



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From YesteryearPhono at aol.com  Mon Feb  8 07:54:00 2010
From: YesteryearPhono at aol.com (YesteryearPhono at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:54:00 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] FW:  Hello from Mike Dawicki
Message-ID: <78b2.51be880.38a18d98@aol.com>

Thank You for your email....Im trying to get a list together and figure a  
fair price for the collection.
Mostly Outside Horn Victors and Edisons. a couple of Herzog  Cabinets...
Mike 528-274-6784 email _Yesteryearphono at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Yesteryearphono at aol.com) 
 
Thanks Mike
 
 
In a message dated 2/5/2010 12:28:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
RCowen at sciencenews.org writes:

if you  described your collection--what type, cylinders, victrolas,
etc., you might  get a good response.
Sincerely,
Ron

-----Original  Message-----
From: YesteryearPhono at aol.com [mailto:YesteryearPhono at aol.com]  
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:09 AM
To:  Bruce78rpm at comcast.net
Cc: phono-l-request at oldcrank.org;  phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Hello from Mike Dawicki

Hi  Bruce,
Im thinking of selling my Phonograph collection To buy a Classic  1950s
car...Id like a Cadillac 1954-1957 or maybe a 56 or 57 Chevy Bel  Air
...My cell number is 508-274-6784..If you  know of anyone  intersested in
the collection please pass on my number. It would  be  sold as a
collection only not as individual pieces..

Thanks Mike  Dawicki

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From wilenzick at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb  8 14:01:46 2010
From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:01:46 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] eBay phono observations
Message-ID: <68A915BB105D4546898187C9A140B314@WilenzickPC>

Is it just me, but it seems that eBay phono listings have changed somewhat, such as:
1.  Most items over $300 are "Buy It Now" or "Best Offer", not auction type
2.  Most higher priced items are listed for long periods such as 25-30 days
3   Few of the higher priced auction items have any bids at all.

Any comments?
Ray


From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Feb  8 21:04:05 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:04:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
Message-ID: <637492.67324.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good evening all
Here's something interesting on eBay..a Schwarzwaldhaus phonograph. Schwarzwald means Black Forest. Item number is 270528488201. Check it out!
John Robles

From mf101723 at msn.com  Tue Feb  9 01:19:49 2010
From: mf101723 at msn.com (mark french)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:19:49 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] WTD: Grille for 4-door Credenza
Message-ID: <SNT106-W61720FC9412A3F818F38D3C8500@phx.gbl>


I just picked up a decent Victrola Credenza 4-door that I've started to fix up, the one important thing it's missing is the entire horn grille and cloth.  Condition of finish and/or cloth not important, I can refinish it and/or put new cloth in it.  Thanks!

Side notes - this machine has some WEIRD mods.  For example, eons ago somebody tapped into the horn elbow and added an iron pipe T-fitting. (??)  But both ends of it are just open to air, I'll have to remove that and put in a plug, talk about ruining the bass!  And there's a 6-inch hole cut into the lower section of the horn wood, like a speaker had been mounted there with three screws, or something.  Plus an additional a/c wire was added to the motor connector socket, but whatever it was hooked to is gone.  Anybody have any ideas of what they were doing, or trying to do, with this thing?  I assume at one time there was a hose connected to that fitting, for what I have NO idea.  The vent hole cover near it is missing, maybe that is where the hose or pipe exited.  Pretty sure I can fix all this stuff fortunately.

Mark French
 My Victrolas:
  VV-210
  10-50
  Credenza
  VV-XVII

 		 	   		  

From bruce78rpm at comcast.net  Tue Feb  9 07:04:12 2010
From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:04:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA - Identifying Pooley Cabinet
In-Reply-To: <325771911.1455611265727638793.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <343214777.1457611265727852472.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I just acquired a Victor VTLA (3rd Style, first Domed Lid Style), serial number 2357, which is from the era that according to the Victor Victrola Website, cabinets were supplied both by Pooley & Victor from 1907-1909, before Victor took over the cabinet making completely. 

When I opened the two L doors and looked straight into the back of the square storage compartment, immediately below the horn opening, I noticed a rectangular celluloid ID Plate, neatly attached with two screws. It is White with black lettering which says STYLE B, and Immediately underneath that a large P with a square around it. Does the P stand for Pooley, or would the P indicate the identification of the Cabinet Factory with the Victor Complex where the Cabinet was made. Thanks for you help on this. I can immediately see 100's of VTLA owners who see this, immediately running to their machines and shining a flashlight into that compartment to see if they have one of these celluloid ID Plates. 

Bruce 

From russridley at shaw.ca  Tue Feb  9 09:52:03 2010
From: russridley at shaw.ca (Russ Ridley)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:52:03 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA - Identifying Pooley Cabinet
In-Reply-To: <343214777.1457611265727852472.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <343214777.1457611265727852472.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <740431A8-1110-42BC-A92F-AF74C64D9994@shaw.ca>

  I also just acquired a 3rd style Victor VTLA with serial # 8269  
along with it's bill of sale dated Jan. 28 1909.

  On mine there is no tag adhered to the back of the compartment  
below the horn opening or evidence there ever was.


    Russ



On 9-Feb-10, at 7:04 AM, bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote:

> I just acquired a Victor VTLA (3rd Style, first Domed Lid Style),  
> serial number 2357, which is from the era that according to the  
> Victor Victrola Website, cabinets were supplied both by Pooley &  
> Victor from 1907-1909, before Victor took over the cabinet making  
> completely.
>
> When I opened the two L doors and looked straight into the back of  
> the square storage compartment, immediately below the horn opening,  
> I noticed a rectangular celluloid ID Plate, neatly attached with  
> two screws. It is White with black lettering which says STYLE B,  
> and Immediately underneath that a large P with a square around it.  
> Does the P stand for Pooley, or would the P indicate the  
> identification of the Cabinet Factory with the Victor Complex where  
> the Cabinet was made. Thanks for you help on this. I can  
> immediately see 100's of VTLA owners who see this, immediately  
> running to their machines and shining a flashlight into that  
> compartment to see if they have one of these celluloid ID Plates.
>
> Bruce
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From lherault at bu.edu  Tue Feb  9 10:04:36 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:04:36 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
In-Reply-To: <637492.67324.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <637492.67324.qm@web80704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007601caa9b2$5765c280$67d6299b@ad.bu.edu>

Neat! But shouldn't there be a coo coo bird there somewhere?

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:04 AM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house

Good evening all
Here's something interesting on eBay..a Schwarzwaldhaus phonograph.
Schwarzwald means Black Forest. Item number is 270528488201. Check it out!
John Robles
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From majesticrecord at snet.net  Tue Feb  9 10:56:13 2010
From: majesticrecord at snet.net (Glenn Longwell)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:56:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
In-Reply-To: <007601caa9b2$5765c280$67d6299b@ad.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <723211.49089.qm@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Here's another one for your viewing pleasure...
?
I saw this at the Claymont, DE phono show back in 2003 and took pictures.? The dealer, can't remember who, wanted several thousand dollars for it.? It didn't sell.? I think it was the only thing this particular dealer brought.
?
www.majesticrecord.com/phono.htm
?
Glenn

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:


From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:04 PM


Neat! But shouldn't there be a coo coo bird there somewhere?

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:04 AM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house

Good evening all
Here's something interesting on eBay..a Schwarzwaldhaus phonograph.
Schwarzwald means Black Forest. Item number is 270528488201. Check it out!
John Robles
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From lherault at bu.edu  Tue Feb  9 11:11:35 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:11:35 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] WTD: Grille for 4-door Credenza
In-Reply-To: <SNT106-W61720FC9412A3F818F38D3C8500@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT106-W61720FC9412A3F818F38D3C8500@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008101caa9bb$b2dae970$67d6299b@ad.bu.edu>

George Vollema may be able to help with the grill and cloth.  I got one for
an 8-12 from him that was pristine.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of mark french
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:20 AM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] WTD: Grille for 4-door Credenza


I just picked up a decent Victrola Credenza 4-door that I've started to fix
up, the one important thing it's missing is the entire horn grille and
cloth.  Condition of finish and/or cloth not important, I can refinish it
and/or put new cloth in it.  Thanks!

Side notes - this machine has some WEIRD mods.  For example, eons ago
somebody tapped into the horn elbow and added an iron pipe T-fitting. (??)
But both ends of it are just open to air, I'll have to remove that and put
in a plug, talk about ruining the bass!  And there's a 6-inch hole cut into
the lower section of the horn wood, like a speaker had been mounted there
with three screws, or something.  Plus an additional a/c wire was added to
the motor connector socket, but whatever it was hooked to is gone.  Anybody
have any ideas of what they were doing, or trying to do, with this thing?  I
assume at one time there was a hose connected to that fitting, for what I
have NO idea.  The vent hole cover near it is missing, maybe that is where
the hose or pipe exited.  Pretty sure I can fix all this stuff fortunately.

Mark French
 My Victrolas:
  VV-210
  10-50
  Credenza
  VV-XVII

 		 	   		  
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From esroberto at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  9 11:23:56 2010
From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 19:23:56 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] WTD: Grille for 4-door Credenza
In-Reply-To: <008101caa9bb$b2dae970$67d6299b@ad.bu.edu>
References: <SNT106-W61720FC9412A3F818F38D3C8500@phx.gbl>,
	<008101caa9bb$b2dae970$67d6299b@ad.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <BLU149-W1254777F7E3BDB2CDA88F0AA500@phx.gbl>


Maybe they figured they could use an electric pump to run water into the pipe T-fitting to wash the signal path for the cleanest sound possible.  Obviously the hole was cut to drain into a bucket.  Did you get the bucket in the deal?  An eBay seller told me those Credenza buckets are worth a pantload.  ;-)

Watch out, friends, as dumb as those folks were for committing these crimes against phonography, there are a lot more of them than there are of us.

Good luck with the restore, Mark!

Best,
Robert


> -----Original Message-----
mark french
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:20 AM
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] WTD: Grille for 4-door Credenza
> 
> 
> I just picked up a decent Victrola Credenza 4-door that I've started to fix
> up, the one important thing it's missing is the entire horn grille and
> cloth.  Condition of finish and/or cloth not important, I can refinish it
> and/or put new cloth in it.  Thanks!
> 
> Side notes - this machine has some WEIRD mods.  For example, eons ago
> somebody tapped into the horn elbow and added an iron pipe T-fitting. (??)
> But both ends of it are just open to air, I'll have to remove that and put
> in a plug, talk about ruining the bass!  And there's a 6-inch hole cut into
> the lower section of the horn wood, like a speaker had been mounted there
> with three screws, or something.  Plus an additional a/c wire was added to
> the motor connector socket, but whatever it was hooked to is gone.  Anybody
> have any ideas of what they were doing, or trying to do, with this thing?  I
> assume at one time there was a hose connected to that fitting, for what I
> have NO idea.  The vent hole cover near it is missing, maybe that is where
> the hose or pipe exited.  Pretty sure I can fix all this stuff fortunately.
> 
> Mark French
>  My Victrolas:
>   VV-210
>   10-50
>   Credenza
>   VV-XVII
> 
>  		 	   		  
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From rvuill at comcast.net  Tue Feb  9 11:33:21 2010
From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:33:21 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
References: <723211.49089.qm@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79A6BD19E1B448DB9191638F7E026CFE@HPPC>

Glen,
    I think the one you have pictures of is a one off made by some talented 
craftsman for a family present.  The black forrest one was probably produced 
in limited quantities for resale.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Longwell" <majesticrecord at snet.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house


Here's another one for your viewing pleasure...

I saw this at the Claymont, DE phono show back in 2003 and took pictures. 
The dealer, can't remember who, wanted several thousand dollars for it. It 
didn't sell. I think it was the only thing this particular dealer brought.

www.majesticrecord.com/phono.htm

Glenn



From KEEPERH2O at aol.com  Tue Feb  9 11:28:13 2010
From: KEEPERH2O at aol.com (KEEPERH2O at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:28:13 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Color of Grille Cloth on Amberola 30?
Message-ID: <ff2a.51d3125e.38a3114d@aol.com>

Greetings.
 
It's a nice, clean machine.  The grille cloth is missing.   Anyone know the 
color?  I have some green, tan n' gold in stock.  
 
Thanks!
 
: )
 
Edward

From andersun at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Feb  9 11:40:24 2010
From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (Steve Andersen)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:40:24 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Color of Grille Cloth on Amberola 30?
In-Reply-To: <ff2a.51d3125e.38a3114d@aol.com>
References: <ff2a.51d3125e.38a3114d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F1BB58E-5012-41DC-B345-6A671056E658@tampabay.rr.com>

It was sort of a brownish gold color with no pattern
On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:28 PM, KEEPERH2O at aol.com wrote:

> Greetings.
> 
> It's a nice, clean machine.  The grille cloth is missing.   Anyone know the 
> color?  I have some green, tan n' gold in stock.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> : )
> 
> Edward
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org


From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  9 11:41:17 2010
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] WTD: Grille for 4-door Credenza
Message-ID: <410-2201022919411762@earthlink.net>

Mike; You will probably find the horn grille that you're looking for. After
you've seen many Credenzas, you will notice that, in the earlier ones,
there are three vertical bars in the lower part of the horn grille. The
later ones, such as the 8-30X that I have, will have the center vertical
bar omitted. No big deal; just interesting.

And, so far as the grille cloth goes, look in on
http://www.grillecloth.com.  You will find a generic pattern that's as
close as you could come to the original stuff.  The dealer is John
Okolowicz, and he's a great guy to deal with. 

Tons of luck with the Credenza. You're gonna love it, once you have it up
and going. 


> [Original Message]
> From: mark french <mf101723 at msn.com>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 2/9/2010 4:25:02 AM
> Subject: [Phono-L] WTD: Grille for 4-door Credenza
>
>
> I just picked up a decent Victrola Credenza 4-door that I've started to
fix up, the one important thing it's missing is the entire horn grille and
cloth.  Condition of finish and/or cloth not important, I can refinish it
and/or put new cloth in it.  Thanks!
>
> Side notes - this machine has some WEIRD mods.  For example, eons ago
somebody tapped into the horn elbow and added an iron pipe T-fitting. (??) 
But both ends of it are just open to air, I'll have to remove that and put
in a plug, talk about ruining the bass!  And there's a 6-inch hole cut into
the lower section of the horn wood, like a speaker had been mounted there
with three screws, or something.  Plus an additional a/c wire was added to
the motor connector socket, but whatever it was hooked to is gone.  Anybody
have any ideas of what they were doing, or trying to do, with this thing? 
I assume at one time there was a hose connected to that fitting, for what I
have NO idea.  The vent hole cover near it is missing, maybe that is where
the hose or pipe exited.  Pretty sure I can fix all this stuff fortunately.
>
> Mark French
>  My Victrolas:
>   VV-210
>   10-50
>   Credenza
>   VV-XVII
>
>  		 	   		  
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From rvuill at comcast.net  Tue Feb  9 11:56:27 2010
From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:56:27 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Color of Grille Cloth on Amberola 30?
References: <ff2a.51d3125e.38a3114d@aol.com>
	<4F1BB58E-5012-41DC-B345-6A671056E658@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C6F0BB1493CF41578BF5F5D07CC71FB0@HPPC>

I wouldn't worryabout the grill cloth.  Most
Amberolas never had grill cloth, If you don't see any glue or thread 
remnants on the back of your grill, chances are it never had cloth.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Andersen" <andersun at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Color of Grille Cloth on Amberola 30?


> It was sort of a brownish gold color with no pattern
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:28 PM, KEEPERH2O at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> It's a nice, clean machine.  The grille cloth is missing.   Anyone know 
>> the
>> color?  I have some green, tan n' gold in stock.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> : )
>>
>> Edward
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 


From edisone1 at verizon.net  Tue Feb  9 11:21:31 2010
From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:21:31 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
References: <723211.49089.qm@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <670F94160577429F9EC2C57B2A3A2451@moms>

Ah, the Chapelphone! (Cathedrola ? Kierkovox ? )    Now we need to see a 
house shaped like a phono !


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Longwell" <majesticrecord at snet.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house


Here's another one for your viewing pleasure...

I saw this at the Claymont, DE phono show back in 2003 and took pictures. 
The dealer, can't remember who, wanted several thousand dollars for it. It 
didn't sell. I think it was the only thing this particular dealer brought.

www.majesticrecord.com/phono.htm

Glenn

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:


From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:04 PM


Neat! But shouldn't there be a coo coo bird there somewhere?

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:04 AM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house

Good evening all
Here's something interesting on eBay..a Schwarzwaldhaus phonograph.
Schwarzwald means Black Forest. Item number is 270528488201. Check it out!
John Robles


From lherault at bu.edu  Tue Feb  9 12:33:58 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:33:58 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
In-Reply-To: <670F94160577429F9EC2C57B2A3A2451@moms>
References: <723211.49089.qm@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<670F94160577429F9EC2C57B2A3A2451@moms>
Message-ID: <00a201caa9c7$352abda0$67d6299b@ad.bu.edu>

I like that idea.  Now all I have to do is win Powerball or Megamillions.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of DanKj
<snip>

    Now we need to see a 
house shaped like a phono !




From lherault at bu.edu  Tue Feb  9 12:35:28 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:35:28 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
In-Reply-To: <670F94160577429F9EC2C57B2A3A2451@moms>
References: <723211.49089.qm@web83706.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<670F94160577429F9EC2C57B2A3A2451@moms>
Message-ID: <00a301caa9c7$6c921720$67d6299b@ad.bu.edu>

Ah, the Kirkovox.  Talk about His Master's Voice - or would that be Voce de
Deus (or something like that).

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of DanKj
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:22 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house

Ah, the Chapelphone! (Cathedrola ? Kierkovox ? )    Now we need to see a 
house shaped like a phono !


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Longwell" <majesticrecord at snet.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house


Here's another one for your viewing pleasure...

I saw this at the Claymont, DE phono show back in 2003 and took pictures. 
The dealer, can't remember who, wanted several thousand dollars for it. It 
didn't sell. I think it was the only thing this particular dealer brought.

www.majesticrecord.com/phono.htm

Glenn

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:


From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:04 PM


Neat! But shouldn't there be a coo coo bird there somewhere?

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:04 AM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house

Good evening all
Here's something interesting on eBay..a Schwarzwaldhaus phonograph.
Schwarzwald means Black Forest. Item number is 270528488201. Check it out!
John Robles

_______________________________________________
Phono-L mailing list
http://phono-l.oldcrank.org


From backden at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 12:37:27 2010
From: backden at yahoo.com (Dennis Back)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:37:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
In-Reply-To: <670F94160577429F9EC2C57B2A3A2451@moms>
Message-ID: <471724.94385.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>>>Ah, the Chapelphone! (Cathedrola ? Kierkovox ? )? ? Now we need to see a house shaped >>>like a phono !

How about a phono with a lid made out of a toilet seat.? 

We would have a Crapperphone!

;-)

Dennis 



      

From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Tue Feb  9 13:58:51 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:58:51 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Color of Grille Cloth on Amberola 30?
In-Reply-To: <4F1BB58E-5012-41DC-B345-6A671056E658@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <ff2a.51d3125e.38a3114d@aol.com>
	<4F1BB58E-5012-41DC-B345-6A671056E658@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4B71DA9B.7010605@octoxol.com>

It is a woven raw silk and the color is a odd shade of brown.  you can 
reproduce it with a piece of the raw silk and a dye made of a dark tea. 
  Use the dark tea as a dye.  Works just fine and matches the original 
that is not faded, dirty and rotten.  The trick is the raw silk cloth.

Steve Andersen wrote:
> It was sort of a brownish gold color with no pattern
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:28 PM, KEEPERH2O at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Greetings.
>>
>> It's a nice, clean machine.  The grille cloth is missing.   Anyone know the 
>> color?  I have some green, tan n' gold in stock.  
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> : )
>>
>> Edward
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> 

From l.strong at mchsi.com  Tue Feb  9 14:16:31 2010
From: l.strong at mchsi.com (Larry Strong)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:16:31 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA
Message-ID: <4B71DEBF.8070500@mchsi.com>

Recently acquired a Flat top VTLA and I'm looking for a key for the 
front of the Victrola. any help would be appreciated in acquiring the 
key. Serial number of my VTLA is 1989.

Larry Strong

From dan at old-phonographs.com  Tue Feb  9 15:13:55 2010
From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:13:55 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA
In-Reply-To: <4B71DEBF.8070500@mchsi.com>
References: <4B71DEBF.8070500@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <d14f697b1002091513q2d20a321v394cf4bc248b18b1@mail.gmail.com>

I have one and it uses a medium sized key that I have heard called either a
Sewing Machine key or an Organ key. I have seen them with square ends and
triagular ends that fit in the hole. I don't remember off the top of my head
if mine is sqare or triangle. I'll look tonight. The following link has a
picture similar to what you need to look for.

http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=39068475

Dan

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Larry Strong <l.strong at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Recently acquired a Flat top VTLA and I'm looking for a key for the front
> of the Victrola. any help would be appreciated in acquiring the key. Serial
> number of my VTLA is 1989.
>
> Larry Strong
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>

From dan at old-phonographs.com  Tue Feb  9 15:15:44 2010
From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:15:44 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] VTLA
In-Reply-To: <4B71DEBF.8070500@mchsi.com>
References: <4B71DEBF.8070500@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <d14f697b1002091515g2cbc276em11b7d55dd2049ecd@mail.gmail.com>

There are a number of ebay auctions up right now for these. Here's one with
a few keys really cheap.

http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-Sewing-Machine-Clock-Piano-Triangle-Square-Keys_W0QQitemZ140380830109QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20af59799d

Dan

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Larry Strong <l.strong at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Recently acquired a Flat top VTLA and I'm looking for a key for the front
> of the Victrola. any help would be appreciated in acquiring the key. Serial
> number of my VTLA is 1989.
>
> Larry Strong
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>

From KEEPERH2O at aol.com  Tue Feb  9 15:56:37 2010
From: KEEPERH2O at aol.com (KEEPERH2O at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:56:37 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Color of Grille Cloth on Amberola 30?
Message-ID: <19a53.2458c8c0.38a35035@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/9/2010 3:30:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
rich-mail at octoxol.com writes:

It is a  woven raw silk and the color is a odd shade of brown.  you can  
reproduce it with a piece of the raw silk and a dye made of a dark tea.  
Use the dark tea as a dye.  Works just fine and matches the  original 
that is not faded, dirty and rotten.  The trick is the raw  silk cloth.



Excellent.
 
Thanks very much!  I will do it!
 
: )
 
Edward

From mf101723 at msn.com  Tue Feb  9 17:11:37 2010
From: mf101723 at msn.com (mark french)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:11:37 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] WTD: Grille for 4-door Credenza
In-Reply-To: <mailman.66.1265757788.512.phono-l@oldcrank.org>
References: <mailman.66.1265757788.512.phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Message-ID: <SNT106-W552A28A8A5ABC62634EDFAC84F0@phx.gbl>


To clarify which model mine is, it's a 4-door electric Credenza X, serial number is around 11000.  If I can locate a grille, would the cloth be the same as their #52 for RCA+Victrolas? 
I'm not sure.  A scrap I found in the bottom of the Credenza looks just like what is on my Vic 
10-50, simple interwoven brown and gold threads.  As for the wood grille I'll settle for 
anything that will fit if I have to, so 2 or 3 bars is ok with me.
Thanks again!
Mark French

>> From: "Douglas Houston" 
>You will probably find the horn grille that you're looking for. After
> you've seen many Credenzas, you will notice that, in the earlier ones,
> there are three vertical bars in the lower part of the horn grille. The
> later ones, such as the 8-30X that I have, will have the center vertical
> bar omitted. No big deal; just interesting. And, so far as the grille cloth goes, look in on
> http://www.grillecloth.com.  You will find a generic pattern that's as
> close as you could come to the original stuff. <<
 		 	   		  

From pjfraser at mac.com  Tue Feb  9 18:37:04 2010
From: pjfraser at mac.com (Peter Fraser)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:37:04 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] article on Edison Lab restoration
Message-ID: <68C42D8A-5DE3-4FEC-A251-B2C167A3AC1C@mac.com>

http://www.preservationnation.org/magazine/2010/january-february/lab-psp.html




-- Peter
pjfraser at mac.com


From kend at lemur.org  Wed Feb 10 10:23:21 2010
From: kend at lemur.org (Ken Danckaert)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin N scam on Ebay
Message-ID: <e82cd3771002101023l569ea267sf2b714e87e673502@mail.gmail.com>

For anyone that is thinking of bidding on the Coin N currently on Ebay,
think again.  the URL is :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320484058642

I asked the seller to post additional photos.  take a close look at the
pictures.  they show two different machines.  It sure looks like a scam to
me.

Ken Danckaert

From rkeuler at verizon.net  Wed Feb 10 11:26:32 2010
From: rkeuler at verizon.net (Ron)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:26:32 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin N scam on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <e82cd3771002101023l569ea267sf2b714e87e673502@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e82cd3771002101023l569ea267sf2b714e87e673502@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B730868.4040708@verizon.net>

Yes, most of the photos in the second row shown are from Collectors 
World West. 

From vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com  Wed Feb 10 13:35:45 2010
From: vicdoc160 at stny.rr.com (Bobby)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:35:45 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] few machines for sale
Message-ID: <4981F27515854224AC9CE7ACD0C63C80@Home>

c-19 mahog. 350
sonora with wooden tonearm, credenza model, queen anne 300.00
ve-xiv, mahog, 350.00
vv-xvii mahog 400.00
pooley furniture company phono, 200.00, not for victor

email vicdoc160 at stny.rr.comI am in upstate NY.  make me an offer! 

From ret.armysgt at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 10 14:15:39 2010
From: ret.armysgt at yahoo.com (William Buchanan)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:15:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin N scam on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <e82cd3771002101023l569ea267sf2b714e87e673502@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <756611.54317.qm@web57501.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


Ken 

Good eyes, they are two different phonographs.

Bill


--- On Wed, 2/10/10, Ken Danckaert <kend at lemur.org> wrote:

From: Ken Danckaert <kend at lemur.org>
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin N scam on Ebay
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 1:23 PM

For anyone that is thinking of bidding on the Coin N currently on Ebay,
think again.? the URL is :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320484058642

I asked the seller to post additional photos.? take a close look at the
pictures.? they show two different machines.? It sure looks like a scam to
me.

Ken Danckaert
_______________________________________________
Phono-L mailing list
http://phono-l.oldcrank.org



      

From RCowen at sciencenews.org  Wed Feb 10 14:50:42 2010
From: RCowen at sciencenews.org (Ron Cowen)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:50:42 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin N scam on Ebay
References: <e82cd3771002101023l569ea267sf2b714e87e673502@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DF641A65BBD4C4A83DE916594B788F1030D7B65@Mercury.sciserv.org>

update on the ebay site now says: 

"THIS IS ONLY ONE MACHINE FOR SALE

THE NEW PHOTOS ARE FOR A COMPARISION TO MY MACHINE AS PEOPLE HAVE REQEUSTED

THE MACHINE I HAVE USED AS A COMPARISION IS NOT FOR SALE"

 

________________________________

From: Ken Danckaert [mailto:kend at lemur.org]
Sent: Wed 2/10/2010 1:23 PM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Coin N scam on Ebay



For anyone that is thinking of bidding on the Coin N currently on Ebay,
think again.  the URL is :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320484058642

I asked the seller to post additional photos.  take a close look at the
pictures.  they show two different machines.  It sure looks like a scam to
me.

Ken Danckaert
_______________________________________________
Phono-L mailing list
http://phono-l.oldcrank.org <http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/> 



From Zonophone2006 at aol.com  Wed Feb 10 15:24:38 2010
From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:24:38 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped like a house
Message-ID: <16280.3fb2c747.38a49a36@aol.com>

now i used to own a cathedral  upright phono
zono
 
 
In a message dated 2/9/2010 3:22:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
edisone1 at verizon.net writes:

Ah, the  Chapelphone! (Cathedrola ? Kierkovox ? )    Now we need to see a  
house shaped like a phono !


----- Original Message -----  
From: "Glenn Longwell" <majesticrecord at snet.net>
To: "Antique  Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09,  2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything. Phono shaped  like a house


Here's another one for your viewing  pleasure...

I saw this at the Claymont, DE phono show back in 2003 and  took pictures. 
The dealer, can't remember who, wanted several thousand  dollars for it. It 
didn't sell. I think it was the only thing this  particular dealer  brought.

www.majesticrecord.com/phono.htm

Glenn

--- On  Tue, 2/9/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:


From: Ron  L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Now I've seen  everything. Phono shaped like a house
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'"  <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:04  PM


Neat! But shouldn't there be a coo coo bird there  somewhere?

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From:  phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]  
On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:04  AM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Now I've seen everything.  Phono shaped like a house

Good evening all
Here's something  interesting on eBay..a Schwarzwaldhaus phonograph.
Schwarzwald means Black  Forest. Item number is 270528488201. Check it out!
John  Robles

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From nipper at dataex.com  Wed Feb 10 16:56:49 2010
From: nipper at dataex.com (Robin & Joan Rolfs)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:56:49 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Photos from Florida Show & Ft. Myers
Message-ID: <4D1CC00C6F394DFABC7BCFBDB66DF26D@owner094cc0223>

Greetings,

We would like to share with you photos from the Orlando Show and Ft. Myers.  Our WIMAPS webmaster, Jim Keuler put them up on the WIMAPS website at:    www.wimaps.org

Enjoy.

Robin & Joan Rolfs
Visit us at:
www.audioantique.com 

From deedeeblais at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 10 19:09:13 2010
From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:09:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Early Victrola Parts For Sale
Message-ID: <71512.4682.qm@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I picked up a very early incomplete Victrola IX and am selling the following parts:
Motor - The motor is nearly identical to a Vic III or IV motor except that the spindle must be lengthened.  The motor is clean but has a broken spring and is missing a couple of governor springs & weights. $125
Crank - early female crank, 5.5" to outside of bend. $20
Tone arm - early thin tone arm with longer "U" tube. $15
Knobs - Two very nice nickel knobs. $20 (both)
Crank Escutcheon - Vic style nickel escutcheon. $20
Cabinet - complete mahogany cabinet. $25
If interested or have any questions please call 541-990-0781 or email jerry.blais at yahoo.com


      

From jnichol at fuse.net  Wed Feb 10 19:56:34 2010
From: jnichol at fuse.net (Jim Nichol)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:56:34 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday February 11th
Message-ID: <65614A4B-9B8B-4B45-BC54-CFD404321BBD@fuse.net>

Edison's Birthday is 2/11/10.  If you have one of the "Edison  
employee" birthday pins, be sure to wear it.

By the way, guess what famous inventor is pictured on Wikipedia's home  
page today?

Jim


From maxbud12 at wowway.com  Wed Feb 10 20:25:21 2010
From: maxbud12 at wowway.com (Bruce Mercer)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:25:21 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday February 11th
References: <65614A4B-9B8B-4B45-BC54-CFD404321BBD@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <33ED106506E344DC86BF2ECA271CF70B@Vaio>

Every year on his birthday I service all of my Edison machines. Similar to 
changing the smoke detector batteries on Daylight Savings Day.
I sort of make a day of it, cleaning and oiling each one and playing my 
favorite records.(and also the yearly play of those 'really rare' records.
 Have fun.
Bruce



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Nichol" <jnichol at fuse.net>
To: "Phonolist" <phonolist at yahoogroups.com>; "Antique Phonograph List" 
<phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday February 11th


> Edison's Birthday is 2/11/10.  If you have one of the "Edison  employee" 
> birthday pins, be sure to wear it.




From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Thu Feb 11 15:04:49 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:04:49 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] New in this mailing list. Bettini reproducers to restore.
Message-ID: <3A49FE09-3A69-406B-B80E-86063274AE06@telefonica.net>

Hello,

I am a new member in this list. I am interested in phonographs but am not actually a serious collector. I have three cylinder phonographs: a Girard-Omega with Le Cahit reproducer, a Lioret N?3 and a Spring Motor with two bettini attachments. I am not sure if both bettinis are reproducers or one of them is a recorder. They are damaged and have to be restored. One is a Type (0) and the other is (N). Do anyone of you have photographs of this models? I have just purchased this spring motor with bettinis and curiously in the drawer of the phonograph there are a third spider.

Any help to restore this phonograph will be apreciated.

Thanks in advance and excuse my poor english, I 'm in Spain

Gabriel.


From AllenAmet at aol.com  Thu Feb 11 17:00:06 2010
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:00:06 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] New in this mailing list. Bettini reproducers to
	restore.
Message-ID: <196f5.4283cc7b.38a60216@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/11/2010 6:31:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gabrielmarro at telefonica.net writes:

I am not  sure if both bettinis are reproducers or one of them is a 
recorder. 


--------------------
Hi,
 
    The Recorder will have a mica diaphragm and the  Reproducer one made of 
thin aluminum. The Recorder pivots in only one  direction.
 
Allen
 _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) 
 

From esroberto at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 11 19:29:19 2010
From: esroberto at hotmail.com (Robert Wright)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:29:19 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] New in this mailing list. Bettini reproducers to
 restore.
In-Reply-To: <3A49FE09-3A69-406B-B80E-86063274AE06@telefonica.net>
References: <3A49FE09-3A69-406B-B80E-86063274AE06@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <BLU149-W3131BC484F8D6E57710467AA4D0@phx.gbl>


Welcome, Gabriel!

I love those Lioret machines.  Regarding your Bettini reproducers, if anyone on the planet can answer your questions, it's these folks.

Best,
Robert



> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:04:49 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] New in this mailing list. Bettini reproducers to restore.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am a new member in this list. I am interested in phonographs but am not actually a serious collector. I have three cylinder phonographs: a Girard-Omega with Le Cahit reproducer, a Lioret N?3 and a Spring Motor with two bettini attachments. I am not sure if both bettinis are reproducers or one of them is a recorder. They are damaged and have to be restored. One is a Type (0) and the other is (N). Do anyone of you have photographs of this models? I have just purchased this spring motor with bettinis and curiously in the drawer of the phonograph there are a third spider.
> 
> Any help to restore this phonograph will be apreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance and excuse my poor english, I 'm in Spain
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From nipper at dataex.com  Fri Feb 12 06:36:15 2010
From: nipper at dataex.com (Robin & Joan Rolfs)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:36:15 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
Message-ID: <1D5E1BE460F44B3E98E6C26EB58E989F@owner094cc0223>

Greetings,

We were saddened to hear that Debra Vollema passed away on February 7, 2010.  Debra was by George's side at auctions and when they set up for Phonovention.  She supported George in the phonograph hobby and business.  At Phonovention 2009 the entire family was enjoying the show and Debra always had a smile for everyone.  Our sympathy to George and his family.  

Please visit:
http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139589070

to leave a favorite memory of Debra.

Friends,

Robin & Joan Rolfs
Visit us at:
www.audioantique.com


From maffit2 at bresnan.net  Fri Feb 12 07:23:19 2010
From: maffit2 at bresnan.net (Bob Maffit)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:23:19 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday February 11th
In-Reply-To: <33ED106506E344DC86BF2ECA271CF70B@Vaio>
References: <65614A4B-9B8B-4B45-BC54-CFD404321BBD@fuse.net>
	<33ED106506E344DC86BF2ECA271CF70B@Vaio>
Message-ID: <003601caabf7$4fbd5380$ef37fa80$@net>

Bruce:

GREAT! What a wonderful practice, Thanks for sharing . I am going to ponder
doing the same. So often, someone visits and I then, demonstrate a machine,
which hasn't been attended to for a while and...

On another note:

I have a cabinet from a "Jacobean" model, which is discussed in Robert
Baumbach's publication" Columbia Phonograph Companion Vol II" on page 191. I
am looking for the phonograph works. Apparently, it was an electric type.
Any help is appreciated.

Thanks

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Bruce Mercer
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:25 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday February 11th

Every year on his birthday I service all of my Edison machines. Similar to 
changing the smoke detector batteries on Daylight Savings Day.
I sort of make a day of it, cleaning and oiling each one and playing my 
favorite records.(and also the yearly play of those 'really rare' records.
 Have fun.
Bruce



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Nichol" <jnichol at fuse.net>
To: "Phonolist" <phonolist at yahoogroups.com>; "Antique Phonograph List" 
<phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday February 11th


> Edison's Birthday is 2/11/10.  If you have one of the "Edison  employee" 
> birthday pins, be sure to wear it.



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From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 12 09:29:33 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:29:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
In-Reply-To: <1D5E1BE460F44B3E98E6C26EB58E989F@owner094cc0223>
References: <1D5E1BE460F44B3E98E6C26EB58E989F@owner094cc0223>
Message-ID: <977245.35300.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

George, 
I am so saddened to hear that your wife passed away. She will be a great loss to the phonograph community. God be with you and your family.
All the best,
Harvey Kravitz




________________________________
From: Robin & Joan Rolfs <nipper at dataex.com>
To: Phono-L <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 6:36:15 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema

Greetings,

We were saddened to hear that Debra Vollema passed away on February 7, 2010.  Debra was by George's side at auctions and when they set up for Phonovention.  She supported George in the phonograph hobby and business.  At Phonovention 2009 the entire family was enjoying the show and Debra always had a smile for everyone.  Our sympathy to George and his family.  

Please visit:
http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139589070

to leave a favorite memory of Debra.

Friends,

Robin & Joan Rolfs
Visit us at:
www.audioantique.com

_______________________________________________
Phono-L mailing list
http://phono-l.oldcrank.org



      

From kathall21 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 09:57:23 2010
From: kathall21 at gmail.com (Kat Hall)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:57:23 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
In-Reply-To: <977245.35300.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <1D5E1BE460F44B3E98E6C26EB58E989F@owner094cc0223>
	<977245.35300.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B3CCA301204D9E83EEAFDC5FA7E7C2@KatHallPC>

I am one of the quiet ones on this loop but do read all the posts.  It 
saddens us all to hear of the passing of any member and the loss of 
knowledge and friendship.

Heartfelt condolences and God be with you in your time of sorrow and need.

>From the Desk of
Kat Hall
Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher)
Review Coordinator
Author Liaison
www.champagnebooks.com
www.carnalpassions.com
www.thewritersvineyard.com

--------------------------------------------------
From: "harvey kravitz" <harveykravitz at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:29 AM
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema

> George,
> I am so saddened to hear that your wife passed away. She will be a great 
> loss to the phonograph community. God be with you and your family.
> All the best,
> Harvey Kravitz
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robin & Joan Rolfs <nipper at dataex.com>
> To: Phono-L <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 6:36:15 AM
> Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
>
> Greetings,
>
> We were saddened to hear that Debra Vollema passed away on February 7, 
> 2010.  Debra was by George's side at auctions and when they set up for 
> Phonovention.  She supported George in the phonograph hobby and business. 
> At Phonovention 2009 the entire family was enjoying the show and Debra 
> always had a smile for everyone.  Our sympathy to George and his family.
>
> Please visit:
> http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139589070
>
> to leave a favorite memory of Debra.
>
> Friends,
>
> Robin & Joan Rolfs
> Visit us at:
> www.audioantique.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From victrola at triton.net  Fri Feb 12 10:19:03 2010
From: victrola at triton.net (George)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
References: <1D5E1BE460F44B3E98E6C26EB58E989F@owner094cc0223>
	<977245.35300.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FDC22498E2A54793A5C8BD436FB96E70@VALUEDCB7D4C82>

Thank you Harvey
George
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: harvey kravitz 
  To: Antique Phonograph List 
  Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema


  George, 
  I am so saddened to hear that your wife passed away. She will be a great loss to the phonograph community. God be with you and your family.
  All the best,
  Harvey Kravitz




  ________________________________
  From: Robin & Joan Rolfs <nipper at dataex.com>
  To: Phono-L <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
  Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 6:36:15 AM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema

  Greetings,

  We were saddened to hear that Debra Vollema passed away on February 7, 2010.  Debra was by George's side at auctions and when they set up for Phonovention.  She supported George in the phonograph hobby and business.  At Phonovention 2009 the entire family was enjoying the show and Debra always had a smile for everyone.  Our sympathy to George and his family.  

  Please visit:
  http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139589070

  to leave a favorite memory of Debra.

  Friends,

  Robin & Joan Rolfs
  Visit us at:
  www.audioantique.com

  _______________________________________________
  Phono-L mailing list
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From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 12 10:31:39 2010
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:31:39 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
Message-ID: <410-220102512183139593@earthlink.net>

I'd like to add my condolences to you, George. You've had more than your
share of sadness, having lost Brandon's mother and Father. I hope that the
future holds even a small bit of happiness, somehow, for you and Brandon.
Keep that chin up!!!


> [Original Message]
> From: George <victrola at triton.net>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 2/12/2010 1:19:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
>
> Thank you Harvey
> George
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: harvey kravitz 
>   To: Antique Phonograph List 
>   Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:29 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
>
>
>   George, 
>   I am so saddened to hear that your wife passed away. She will be a
great loss to the phonograph community. God be with you and your family.
>   All the best,
>   Harvey Kravitz
>
>
>
>
>   ________________________________
>   From: Robin & Joan Rolfs <nipper at dataex.com>
>   To: Phono-L <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>   Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 6:36:15 AM
>   Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
>
>   Greetings,
>
>   We were saddened to hear that Debra Vollema passed away on February 7,
2010.  Debra was by George's side at auctions and when they set up for
Phonovention.  She supported George in the phonograph hobby and business. 
At Phonovention 2009 the entire family was enjoying the show and Debra
always had a smile for everyone.  Our sympathy to George and his family.  
>
>   Please visit:
>  
http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&p
id=139589070
>
>   to leave a favorite memory of Debra.
>
>   Friends,
>
>   Robin & Joan Rolfs
>   Visit us at:
>   www.audioantique.com
>
>   _______________________________________________
>   Phono-L mailing list
>   http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
>
>
>         
>   _______________________________________________
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>
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From victrola at triton.net  Fri Feb 12 10:37:53 2010
From: victrola at triton.net (George)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:37:53 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
References: <410-220102512183139593@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C681511FA7994530AA6910737A7B75C8@VALUEDCB7D4C82>

Thank you Doug
Yes Brandon has had more loses in his young life than most of us could ever experience. We are both doing OK.
George
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Douglas Houston 
  To: Antique Phonograph List 
  Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema


  I'd like to add my condolences to you, George. You've had more than your
  share of sadness, having lost Brandon's mother and Father. I hope that the
  future holds even a small bit of happiness, somehow, for you and Brandon.
  Keep that chin up!!!



From smstitt at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 11:30:01 2010
From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:30:01 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
In-Reply-To: <43B3CCA301204D9E83EEAFDC5FA7E7C2@KatHallPC>
References: <1D5E1BE460F44B3E98E6C26EB58E989F@owner094cc0223>
	<977245.35300.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<43B3CCA301204D9E83EEAFDC5FA7E7C2@KatHallPC>
Message-ID: <7e8e90ff1002121130n153d8696ifb8b4c896c28f25d@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to hear this too. Loss for words.
Mike S
olcranky

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Kat Hall <kathall21 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am one of the quiet ones on this loop but do read all the posts.  It
> saddens us all to hear of the passing of any member and the loss of
> knowledge and friendship.
>
> Heartfelt condolences and God be with you in your time of sorrow and need.
>
>  From the Desk of
>>
> Kat Hall
> Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher)
> Review Coordinator
> Author Liaison
> www.champagnebooks.com
> www.carnalpassions.com
> www.thewritersvineyard.com
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "harvey kravitz" <harveykravitz at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:29 AM
>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
>
>
>  George,
>> I am so saddened to hear that your wife passed away. She will be a great
>> loss to the phonograph community. God be with you and your family.
>> All the best,
>> Harvey Kravitz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Robin & Joan Rolfs <nipper at dataex.com>
>> To: Phono-L <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 6:36:15 AM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> We were saddened to hear that Debra Vollema passed away on February 7,
>> 2010.  Debra was by George's side at auctions and when they set up for
>> Phonovention.  She supported George in the phonograph hobby and business. At
>> Phonovention 2009 the entire family was enjoying the show and Debra always
>> had a smile for everyone.  Our sympathy to George and his family.
>>
>> Please visit:
>>
>> http://obits.mlive.com/obituaries/grandrapids/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139589070
>>
>> to leave a favorite memory of Debra.
>>
>> Friends,
>>
>> Robin & Joan Rolfs
>> Visit us at:
>> www.audioantique.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From lherault at bu.edu  Fri Feb 12 12:25:11 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:25:11 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] New in this mailing list. Bettini reproducers to
	restore.
In-Reply-To: <3A49FE09-3A69-406B-B80E-86063274AE06@telefonica.net>
References: <3A49FE09-3A69-406B-B80E-86063274AE06@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <013001caac21$7a6e07d0$6f4a1770$@edu>

Gabriel,

If you have more than one antique phonograph, you are a serious collector.
You are very lucky to have a machine with a Bettini attachment.  They are
quite rare.  Hopefully some of our more knowledgeable members can offer some
help and advice.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Gabriel Marro
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:05 PM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] New in this mailing list. Bettini reproducers to restore.

Hello,

I am a new member in this list. I am interested in phonographs but am not
actually a serious collector. I have three cylinder phonographs: a
Girard-Omega with Le Cahit reproducer, a Lioret N?3 and a Spring Motor with
two bettini attachments. I am not sure if both bettinis are reproducers or
one of them is a recorder. They are damaged and have to be restored. One is
a Type (0) and the other is (N). Do anyone of you have photographs of this
models? I have just purchased this spring motor with bettinis and curiously
in the drawer of the phonograph there are a third spider.

Any help to restore this phonograph will be apreciated.

Thanks in advance and excuse my poor english, I 'm in Spain

Gabriel.

_______________________________________________
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From victrola at triton.net  Fri Feb 12 14:15:45 2010
From: victrola at triton.net (George)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:15:45 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema
References: <1D5E1BE460F44B3E98E6C26EB58E989F@owner094cc0223><977245.35300.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com><43B3CCA301204D9E83EEAFDC5FA7E7C2@KatHallPC>
	<7e8e90ff1002121130n153d8696ifb8b4c896c28f25d@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you,
George
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Stitt 
  To: Antique Phonograph List 
  Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Passing of Debra Vollema


  Sorry to hear this too. Loss for words.
  Mike S
  olcranky

  On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Kat Hall <kathall21 at gmail.com> wrote:


From bruce78rpm at comcast.net  Sat Feb 13 11:56:11 2010
From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:56:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] For the Phono Collector who has everything !!
Message-ID: <1217837145.3198261266090971945.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/spo/1598971287.html 

Fascinating Phonograph, never saw on of these before 

Bruce 

From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sat Feb 13 13:10:18 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:10:18 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.68.1265995738.512.phono-l@oldcrank.org>
References: <mailman.68.1265995738.512.phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Message-ID: <AC8CF2E8-87A4-4512-973C-738F0C0D5ACB@telefonica.net>

> Hi,
> 
>    The Recorder will have a mica diaphragm and the  Reproducer one made of 
> thin aluminum. The Recorder pivots in only one  direction.
> 
> Allen
> _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) 
> 

Thank you very much Allen. How didn't I notice that.

Gabriel.



From tomj33 at msn.com  Sat Feb 13 17:54:57 2010
From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:54:57 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] The Victorian Palace in Illinios
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>

I just watched a couple of U-Tube videos of the Victorian Palace posted by
<http://www.youtube.com/user/ReneRondeau> Rene Rondeau.  I was amazed at the
size and quality of the collection of not only phonograph related items but
of band organs.

 

I this a private home or is it ever open to the public for tours?

 


From glastris at comcast.net  Sat Feb 13 19:09:38 2010
From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:09:38 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] The Victorian Palace in Illinios
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>

Yes, it's a private house and is often open to members of the Musical Box 
Society and during Union.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Jordan" <tomj33 at msn.com>
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] The Victorian Palace in Illinios


>I just watched a couple of U-Tube videos of the Victorian Palace posted by
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/ReneRondeau> Rene Rondeau.  I was amazed at 
> the
> size and quality of the collection of not only phonograph related items 
> but
> of band organs.
>
>
>
> I this a private home or is it ever open to the public for tours?
>
>
>
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From tomj33 at msn.com  Sat Feb 13 19:19:11 2010
From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:19:11 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] The Victorian Palace in Illinios
In-Reply-To: <3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>

Thank you George.

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of George Glastris
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:10 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Victorian Palace in Illinios

Yes, it's a private house and is often open to members of the Musical Box 
Society and during Union.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Jordan" <tomj33 at msn.com>
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] The Victorian Palace in Illinios


>I just watched a couple of U-Tube videos of the Victorian Palace posted by
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/ReneRondeau> Rene Rondeau.  I was amazed at 
> the
> size and quality of the collection of not only phonograph related items 
> but
> of band organs.
>
>
>
> I this a private home or is it ever open to the public for tours?
>
>
>
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From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sun Feb 14 03:46:07 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:46:07 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>

I have just begun to clean my old and dirty Edison Spring Motor and it is a very heavy work. Do any of you know what kind of product I can use to solve the wax and grease that is on all the surfaces of the phonograph? I don't want to damage the black paint nor the chrome finish of parts.

Any ideas?

I also need some help for lacking parts. I need a speed regulating screw knob and the lid lacks some metal parts to fit the phonograph base. If any of you can send me photos of how must be the complete "click-fitting" system, I think I can make an idea.

And, for the Bettinis, I need mica and metal foil diaphragms as well as the recorder stylus that it lacks.

Thanks in advance.

Gabriel.


From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sun Feb 14 05:36:24 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:36:24 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>


Hi Gabriel,

 

For basic motor cleaning, remove the motor from the machine and find a container large enough to fit it in. Fill the container with kerosene and let it soak for several days. Use a toothbrush to remove sludge from gears and small parts. Kerosene will not harm your motor and will actually lubricate it. When you are through, you need to re-grease the spring, if possible. Grease will continue to leak from the motor for awhile, since the kerosene dissolves it, so you will want to put a rag under it after it is re-installed. I also use WD 40 and spray lithium grease to re-lube the motor. WD 40 also will remove crud from the wood cabinet or painted surfaces without harming the finish - I use it on my BMW to remove tar, etc. It's a great product and has many uses, like removing sticker glue, tar and grease. It is also wonderful for re-energizing the paint on a horn. On black horns, I touch up scratches with a Sharpie marker and/or liquid gun bluing (gun bluing works great to "age" metal parts) and then clean the horn with WD 40. On painted or flowered horns, it cleans and deepens the colors. Neither kerosene or WD 40 will harm painted or nickel finished parts. WD 40 also restores and cleans 78 records and Amberol cylinders. Some people will disagree with that, but take a dirty, scratchy 78 record and try it - it will improve the sound and make it look better - and absolutely NO damage to the record - spray it on and wipe it off. I have used this method for over 30 years and have never had any damage to my records. It will not dissolve 78 rpm records or celluloid, but DO NOT use it on wax cylinders!!!

 

I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?

 

Hope this helps,

Curt
 
> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:46:07 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> I have just begun to clean my old and dirty Edison Spring Motor and it is a very heavy work. Do any of you know what kind of product I can use to solve the wax and grease that is on all the surfaces of the phonograph? I don't want to damage the black paint nor the chrome finish of parts.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> I also need some help for lacking parts. I need a speed regulating screw knob and the lid lacks some metal parts to fit the phonograph base. If any of you can send me photos of how must be the complete "click-fitting" system, I think I can make an idea.
> 
> And, for the Bettinis, I need mica and metal foil diaphragms as well as the recorder stylus that it lacks.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
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From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sun Feb 14 06:34:36 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:34:36 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>

> I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,

Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my poor english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty different words (pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, resbal?n, etc.) but I think I need to improve my english lexicon.

When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and separate the three spring cans?

Gabriel.
 

From khwright at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 14 08:32:54 2010
From: khwright at hotmail.com (Keith Wright)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:32:54 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
In-Reply-To: <7511073D27F642A78D7CC6176AC105E0@moms>
References: <d1d.349c6a4c.360c4993@aol.com><000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick>,
	, <BAY139-W534127218350A5D381D43AF6440@phx.gbl>, ,
	<1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>,
	<COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>,
	<7511073D27F642A78D7CC6176AC105E0@moms>
Message-ID: <COL110-W44B941471AA45CB08609DCDB4B0@phx.gbl>


It looks like it.  I have now included a side picture the owner sent.  

http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html

Compare to another 122 shown below.  The owner of this one has not replied to a request for more pictures.

http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122.html

Anyone got pictures of their 122 with the correct angle?

Thanks,
Keith

> From: edisone1 at verizon.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:35:58 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> 
>  Is that the correct reproducer ?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Keith Wright" <khwright at hotmail.com>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:25 PM
> Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Some one I know with a Columbia 122 portable pointed out the angle at 
> > which the reproducer leans at the end of the arm.  I didn't think anything 
> > of it until I compared it with one of my HMVs.  Is there some problem with 
> > the Columbia or is this an inherent flaw with the make/model?  I've posted 
> > the photos on the page below (it should work with a copy-and-paste):
> >
> > http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Keith
> 
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From chrisk33 at cox.net  Sun Feb 14 08:59:26 2010
From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:59:26 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
In-Reply-To: <COL110-W44B941471AA45CB08609DCDB4B0@phx.gbl>
References: <d1d.349c6a4c.360c4993@aol.com><000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick>,
	, <BAY139-W534127218350A5D381D43AF6440@phx.gbl>, ,
	<1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>,
	<COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>,
	<7511073D27F642A78D7CC6176AC105E0@moms>
	<COL110-W44B941471AA45CB08609DCDB4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B782BEE.4060404@cox.net>

There is something wrong.  Regardless of whether it is the correct tone 
arm for the machine, or the correct reproducer, the shaft of the needle 
must be straight up and down when viewed from the front.   It should 
never lean into the groove at a sideways angle.  Period.

Chris

Keith Wright wrote:
> It looks like it.  I have now included a side picture the owner sent.  
>
> http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
>
> Compare to another 122 shown below.  The owner of this one has not replied to a request for more pictures.
>
> http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122.html
>
> Anyone got pictures of their 122 with the correct angle?
>
> Thanks,
> Keith
>
>   
>> From: edisone1 at verizon.net
>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:35:58 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
>>
>>  Is that the correct reproducer ?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Keith Wright" <khwright at hotmail.com>
>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:25 PM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Some one I know with a Columbia 122 portable pointed out the angle at 
>>> which the reproducer leans at the end of the arm.  I didn't think anything 
>>> of it until I compared it with one of my HMVs.  Is there some problem with 
>>> the Columbia or is this an inherent flaw with the make/model?  I've posted 
>>> the photos on the page below (it should work with a copy-and-paste):
>>>
>>> http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Keith
>>>       
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From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sun Feb 14 09:03:14 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:03:14 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W907F0B3F46E33531B74449E4B0@phx.gbl>


Yes, if you want the best job, you have to open the spring barrels - don't remove the springs - and pack some grease around the springs. Any good grease will work. It will keep the sprinngs from clunking and making noise when playing.

Curt
 
> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:34:36 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> > I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> 
> Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my poor english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty different words (pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, resbal?n, etc.) but I think I need to improve my english lexicon.
> 
> When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and separate the three spring cans?
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
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From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sun Feb 14 09:06:43 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:06:43 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>


For the latches - are you talking about the ones that slide in from the side to keep the lid on - like on a Standard? Or are you talking about an early "suitcase Home" which has latches like a toolbox or lunchbox? What Model is your phonograph?

Curt
 
> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:34:36 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> > I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> 
> Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my poor english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty different words (pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, resbal?n, etc.) but I think I need to improve my english lexicon.
> 
> When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and separate the three spring cans?
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
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From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sun Feb 14 09:20:54 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:20:54 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W20402C0BF479C4E45A5F379E4B0@phx.gbl>


Here is a link to see latches on a "suitcase" Home: http://www.worldofgramophones.com/edisonhome.html

Here's another: http://www.edisontinfoil.com/home1456.htm 
 
> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:34:36 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> > I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> 
> Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my poor english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty different words (pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, resbal?n, etc.) but I think I need to improve my english lexicon.
> 
> When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and separate the three spring cans?
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
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From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sun Feb 14 09:33:29 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:33:29 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>

My phonograph is a Spring Motor and I think it was bought in 1898 because of the record collection that was with it. Serial Number is 29251. Latches are not like the ones in the photo nor like the standard. In this spring motor, latches are automatic with (I suppouse) springs or something like springs that makes a click when you fit the lid. And a knob outside the lid, at both sides, to press for releasing. Well, that is what I think is has to be, because it lacks the latches mechanism in the lid sides.

Gabriel.



El 14/02/2010, a las 18:06, Curt Angstman escribi?:

> 
> For the latches - are you talking about the ones that slide in from the side to keep the lid on - like on a Standard? Or are you talking about an early "suitcase Home" which has latches like a toolbox or lunchbox? What Model is your phonograph?
> 
> Curt
> 
>> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:34:36 +0100
>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
>> 
>>> I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my poor english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty different words (pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, resbal?n, etc.) but I think I need to improve my english lexicon.
>> 
>> When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and separate the three spring cans?
>> 
>> Gabriel.
>> 
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From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sun Feb 14 10:41:03 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:41:03 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
In-Reply-To: <4B782BEE.4060404@cox.net>
References: <d1d.349c6a4c.360c4993@aol.com><000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick>,
	, , <BAY139-W534127218350A5D381D43AF6440@phx.gbl>,
	, , <1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>, ,
	<COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>, ,
	<7511073D27F642A78D7CC6176AC105E0@moms>,
	<COL110-W44B941471AA45CB08609DCDB4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<4B782BEE.4060404@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W275B767CB323E786A5A2F99E4B0@phx.gbl>


When examining both pictures, you will notice that the reproducers are different, even though they appear to have the same cutout pattern. The one that leans looks like it is larger than the other - maybe not significantly - but just enough to skew the angle.

 

Curt
 
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:59:26 -0500
> From: chrisk33 at cox.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.I
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> 
> There is something wrong. Regardless of whether it is the correct tone 
> arm for the machine, or the correct reproducer, the shaft of the needle 
> must be straight up and down when viewed from the front. It should 
> never lean into the groove at a sideways angle. Period.
> 
> Chris
> 
> Keith Wright wrote:
> > It looks like it. I have now included a side picture the owner sent. 
> >
> > http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
> >
> > Compare to another 122 shown below. The owner of this one has not replied to a request for more pictures.
> >
> > http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122.html
> >
> > Anyone got pictures of their 122 with the correct angle?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Keith
> >
> > 
> >> From: edisone1 at verizon.net
> >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> >> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:35:58 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> >>
> >> Is that the correct reproducer ?
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Keith Wright" <khwright at hotmail.com>
> >> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:25 PM
> >> Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>> Hi Folks,
> >>>
> >>> Some one I know with a Columbia 122 portable pointed out the angle at 
> >>> which the reproducer leans at the end of the arm. I didn't think anything 
> >>> of it until I compared it with one of my HMVs. Is there some problem with 
> >>> the Columbia or is this an inherent flaw with the make/model? I've posted 
> >>> the photos on the page below (it should work with a copy-and-paste):
> >>>
> >>> http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Keith
> >>> 
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> >> 
> > 
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From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sun Feb 14 10:51:27 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:51:27 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	, , <35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W21D01B812DC1EB5ECA80E59E4B0@phx.gbl>


Does it have a model number on the tag? I am assuming that this is a cylinder type Edison machine?
 
> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:33:29 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> My phonograph is a Spring Motor and I think it was bought in 1898 because of the record collection that was with it. Serial Number is 29251. Latches are not like the ones in the photo nor like the standard. In this spring motor, latches are automatic with (I suppouse) springs or something like springs that makes a click when you fit the lid. And a knob outside the lid, at both sides, to press for releasing. Well, that is what I think is has to be, because it lacks the latches mechanism in the lid sides.
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
> 
> 
> El 14/02/2010, a las 18:06, Curt Angstman escribi?:
> 
> > 
> > For the latches - are you talking about the ones that slide in from the side to keep the lid on - like on a Standard? Or are you talking about an early "suitcase Home" which has latches like a toolbox or lunchbox? What Model is your phonograph?
> > 
> > Curt
> > 
> >> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> >> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:34:36 +0100
> >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> >> 
> >>> I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Hope this helps,
> >> 
> >> Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my poor english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty different words (pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, resbal?n, etc.) but I think I need to improve my english lexicon.
> >> 
> >> When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and separate the three spring cans?
> >> 
> >> Gabriel.
> >> 
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> >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > 
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From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sun Feb 14 10:57:13 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:57:13 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	, , <35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W11F71A58ABA5D261C8821E9E4B0@phx.gbl>


I think I know which model you are talking about - it does not have obvious latches on the outside. Since I have not seen one in person, I don't know anything about the mechanism. Do you want to sell it?

 

Curt
 
> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:33:29 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> My phonograph is a Spring Motor and I think it was bought in 1898 because of the record collection that was with it. Serial Number is 29251. Latches are not like the ones in the photo nor like the standard. In this spring motor, latches are automatic with (I suppouse) springs or something like springs that makes a click when you fit the lid. And a knob outside the lid, at both sides, to press for releasing. Well, that is what I think is has to be, because it lacks the latches mechanism in the lid sides.
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
> 
> 
> El 14/02/2010, a las 18:06, Curt Angstman escribi?:
> 
> > 
> > For the latches - are you talking about the ones that slide in from the side to keep the lid on - like on a Standard? Or are you talking about an early "suitcase Home" which has latches like a toolbox or lunchbox? What Model is your phonograph?
> > 
> > Curt
> > 
> >> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> >> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:34:36 +0100
> >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> >> 
> >>> I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Hope this helps,
> >> 
> >> Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my poor english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty different words (pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, resbal?n, etc.) but I think I need to improve my english lexicon.
> >> 
> >> When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and separate the three spring cans?
> >> 
> >> Gabriel.
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Phono-L mailing list
> >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > 
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From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sun Feb 14 10:59:20 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:59:20 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <BLU132-W21D01B812DC1EB5ECA80E59E4B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>
	<BLU132-W21D01B812DC1EB5ECA80E59E4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3F2EB192-DE98-43C3-8F9D-4F4F60473EA0@telefonica.net>


> 
> 
> Does it have a model number on the tag? I am assuming that this is a cylinder type Edison machine?

As I have said before, it is an EDISON SPRING-MOTOR with BETTINI reproducer and recorder. Very similar to this one: 
http://www.coleccionfb.com/Edison-Bettini.htm

Gabriel.


From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sun Feb 14 11:06:29 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:06:29 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <3F2EB192-DE98-43C3-8F9D-4F4F60473EA0@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, ,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	,,<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>,
	,,<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	, , <B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W21D01B812DC1EB5ECA80E59E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3F2EB192-DE98-43C3-8F9D-4F4F60473EA0@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W326607973689512654B1D9E4B0@phx.gbl>


I misunderstood your description. Yes, I know about this machine, but not how to fix the latches.
 
> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:59:20 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Does it have a model number on the tag? I am assuming that this is a cylinder type Edison machine?
> 
> As I have said before, it is an EDISON SPRING-MOTOR with BETTINI reproducer and recorder. Very similar to this one: 
> http://www.coleccionfb.com/Edison-Bettini.htm
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
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From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sun Feb 14 11:10:30 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:10:30 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <BLU132-W11F71A58ABA5D261C8821E9E4B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>
	<BLU132-W11F71A58ABA5D261C8821E9E4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <21851A4F-4CCC-466A-9C99-F0A43FA46030@telefonica.net>

> Do you want to sell it?
> 

No. I've just bought it and want to restore. 

Gabriel

From vinyl.visions at live.com  Sun Feb 14 11:11:08 2010
From: vinyl.visions at live.com (Curt Angstman)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:11:08 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
In-Reply-To: <BLU132-W275B767CB323E786A5A2F99E4B0@phx.gbl>
References: <d1d.349c6a4c.360c4993@aol.com><000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick>,
	, , , <BAY139-W534127218350A5D381D43AF6440@phx.gbl>,,, ,
	<1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>,
	,,<COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>,
	, , <7511073D27F642A78D7CC6176AC105E0@moms>, ,
	<COL110-W44B941471AA45CB08609DCDB4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<4B782BEE.4060404@cox.net>,
	<BLU132-W275B767CB323E786A5A2F99E4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU132-W1484AE6A4D65EE43E3D0609E4B0@phx.gbl>


Looking at the leaning reproducer again, I noticed that the needlebar is the part that is leaning. Is there a needlebar adjustment on this reproducer, like on a Victor machine?
 
> From: vinyl.visions at live.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:41:03 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> 
> 
> When examining both pictures, you will notice that the reproducers are different, even though they appear to have the same cutout pattern. The one that leans looks like it is larger than the other - maybe not significantly - but just enough to skew the angle.
> 
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:59:26 -0500
> > From: chrisk33 at cox.net
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.I
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> > 
> > There is something wrong. Regardless of whether it is the correct tone 
> > arm for the machine, or the correct reproducer, the shaft of the needle 
> > must be straight up and down when viewed from the front. It should 
> > never lean into the groove at a sideways angle. Period.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > Keith Wright wrote:
> > > It looks like it. I have now included a side picture the owner sent. 
> > >
> > > http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
> > >
> > > Compare to another 122 shown below. The owner of this one has not replied to a request for more pictures.
> > >
> > > http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122.html
> > >
> > > Anyone got pictures of their 122 with the correct angle?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > 
> > >> From: edisone1 at verizon.net
> > >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > >> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:35:58 -0500
> > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> > >>
> > >> Is that the correct reproducer ?
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >> From: "Keith Wright" <khwright at hotmail.com>
> > >> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:25 PM
> > >> Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >>> Hi Folks,
> > >>>
> > >>> Some one I know with a Columbia 122 portable pointed out the angle at 
> > >>> which the reproducer leans at the end of the arm. I didn't think anything 
> > >>> of it until I compared it with one of my HMVs. Is there some problem with 
> > >>> the Columbia or is this an inherent flaw with the make/model? I've posted 
> > >>> the photos on the page below (it should work with a copy-and-paste):
> > >>>
> > >>> http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Keith
> > >>> 
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Phono-L mailing list
> > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > >
> > > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
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From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Sun Feb 14 12:17:17 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:17:17 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>

    I wish people would stop recommending WD-40 as an all-purpose lubricant. 
It is particularly UNSUITABLE for lubricating fine mechanisms with small 
parts.  It was originally designed as a  waterproofing agent, hence, it's 
name "WD-40" refers to the fact that it is a "water displacement" product, 
this being the "40"th attempt.  It was invented in 1953, before which time 
plenty of other products were found quite suitable for lubrication purposes. 
The long-term ingredient is a VISCOUS oil that is carried by a light, highly 
volatile mineral oil carrier, similar to kerosene.  The kerosene acts as a 
penetrating agent which serves to carry the heavy oil into cracks and 
crevices, the better to waterproof the treated object.  So, yes, the 
kerosene performs as a penetrating oil for about 5 minutes.  Then the 
kerosene evaporates, and you're left with the sticky oil worked into the 
cracks and crannies.  See the description and ingredients here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40

This description has fit my experience exactly.  After the carrier 
evaporates, you've got a sticky, tacky mess left on the object you're trying 
to "lubricate".  Bad choice for small gears and pinions.  I find that WD-40 
is useful primarily for exactly what it was originally intended - 
waterproofing.  And it functions as a lubricant for heavier mechanisms, 
although a proper oil or grease is far preferable.

    If you want a penetrating oil, use pure kerosene.  I use an automotive 
product that consists of a very light volatile carrier with suspended tiny 
graphite particles called "Part-Ease".  It's particularly good for stuck 
rusty parts.  Don't know if that brand is still available - the can I'm 
using is one I bought 30 years ago.  Works good on exhaust manifold bolts on 
cars and motorcycles.  If you want a proper lubricant for fine mechanisms 
like clocks and similar low-torque mechanisms, use a proper very light oil 
such as can be purchased from clock repair parts suppliers.  Proper light 
clock oil does not dry up or get tacky.  And it's available in various 
viscosities for light, medium, and moderately heavy torque applications. 
For most phonograph mechanisms, I find that ordinary 20 or 30 weight 
automotive motor oil works quite well.  For sliding surfaces such as the 
reproducer bearing bar surfaces on many Edison cylinder machines, I use a 
mixture of 30 weight oil and a PTFE (teflon) product such as "Slick 50". 
The PTFE provides long lasting surface penetration into the metal for 
superior reduction of sliding friction and stiction.  Actually, I like this 
oil-PTFE mixture so well that I now use if for all my medium-duty 
lubrication needs.  For very heavy torque applications such as the main bull 
gears of phonographs, an ordinary automotive grease is appropriate.  I use a 
molybdenum-disulfide based grease ("molly dum-dum" for you motorcycle 
wrenches out there) for most applications.  It doesn't dry out, channel, and 
get stiff like many lithium based greases.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Angstman" <vinyl.visions at live.com>
To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.



Hi Gabriel,



For basic motor cleaning, remove the motor from the machine and find a 
container large enough to fit it in. Fill the container with kerosene and 
let it soak for several days. Use a toothbrush to remove sludge from gears 
and small parts. Kerosene will not harm your motor and will actually 
lubricate it. When you are through, you need to re-grease the spring, if 
possible. Grease will continue to leak from the motor for awhile, since the 
kerosene dissolves it, so you will want to put a rag under it after it is 
re-installed. I also use WD 40 and spray lithium grease to re-lube the 
motor. WD 40 also will remove crud from the wood cabinet or painted surfaces 
without harming the finish - I use it on my BMW to remove tar, etc. It's a 
great product and has many uses, like removing sticker glue, tar and grease. 
It is also wonderful for re-energizing the paint on a horn. On black horns, 
I touch up scratches with a Sharpie marker and/or liquid gun bluing (gun 
bluing works great to "age" metal parts) and then clean the horn with WD 40. 
On painted or flowered horns, it cleans and deepens the colors. Neither 
kerosene or WD 40 will harm painted or nickel finished parts. WD 40 also 
restores and cleans 78 records and Amberol cylinders. Some people will 
disagree with that, but take a dirty, scratchy 78 record and try it - it 
will improve the sound and make it look better - and absolutely NO damage to 
the record - spray it on and wipe it off. I have used this method for over 
30 years and have never had any damage to my records. It will not dissolve 
78 rpm records or celluloid, but DO NOT use it on wax cylinders!!!



I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. 
Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?



Hope this helps,

Curt

> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:46:07 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
>
> I have just begun to clean my old and dirty Edison Spring Motor and it is 
> a very heavy work. Do any of you know what kind of product I can use to 
> solve the wax and grease that is on all the surfaces of the phonograph? I 
> don't want to damage the black paint nor the chrome finish of parts.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> I also need some help for lacking parts. I need a speed regulating screw 
> knob and the lid lacks some metal parts to fit the phonograph base. If any 
> of you can send me photos of how must be the complete "click-fitting" 
> system, I think I can make an idea.
>
> And, for the Bettinis, I need mica and metal foil diaphragms as well as 
> the recorder stylus that it lacks.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Gabriel.
>
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From edisone1 at verizon.net  Sun Feb 14 11:52:23 2010
From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
References: <d1d.349c6a4c.360c4993@aol.com><000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick>,
	, , , <BAY139-W534127218350A5D381D43AF6440@phx.gbl>,,, ,
	<1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>,
	,,<COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>,	, ,
	<7511073D27F642A78D7CC6176AC105E0@moms>, ,
	<COL110-W44B941471AA45CB08609DCDB4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<4B782BEE.4060404@cox.net>, 
	<BLU132-W275B767CB323E786A5A2F99E4B0@phx.gbl>
	<BLU132-W1484AE6A4D65EE43E3D0609E4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7206E124532A444CB9ED8EBA4E9C69F4@moms>

 It's because that isn't the original reproducer.  The one shown simply 
won't work on this machine. .


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Angstman" <vinyl.visions at live.com>
To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?



Looking at the leaning reproducer again, I noticed that the needlebar is the 
part that is leaning. Is there a needlebar adjustment on this reproducer, 
like on a Victor machine?

> From: vinyl.visions at live.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:41:03 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
>
>
> When examining both pictures, you will notice that the reproducers are 
> different, even though they appear to have the same cutout pattern. The 
> one that leans looks like it is larger than the other - maybe not 
> significantly - but just enough to skew the angle.
>
>
>
> Curt
>
> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:59:26 -0500
> > From: chrisk33 at cox.net
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.I
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> >
> > There is something wrong. Regardless of whether it is the correct tone
> > arm for the machine, or the correct reproducer, the shaft of the needle

> > >
> > > http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
> > >
> > > Compare to another 122 shown below. The owner of this one has not 
> > > replied to a request for more pictures.
> > >
> > > http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122.html
> > >
> > > Anyone got pictures of their 122 with the correct angle?


From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Sun Feb 14 13:47:21 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:47:21 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <21851A4F-4CCC-466A-9C99-F0A43FA46030@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>	<BLU132-W11F71A58ABA5D261C8821E9E4B0@phx.gbl>
	<21851A4F-4CCC-466A-9C99-F0A43FA46030@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <4B786F69.8090700@octoxol.com>

The Spring Motor lid latch, one on each end is basically a flat spring 
screwed to the inside of the case with a button that is inserted from 
the outside and riveted to the spring so it can be pressed in to release 
the latch.

Gabriel Marro wrote:
>> Do you want to sell it?
>>
> 
> No. I've just bought it and want to restore. 
> 
> Gabriel
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> 

From steve_noreen at msn.com  Sun Feb 14 13:54:45 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <BLU132-W907F0B3F46E33531B74449E4B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	, , <35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W907F0B3F46E33531B74449E4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL118-W58FC836014FC6D79F72E18F64B0@phx.gbl>


I always soak the springs until the dried grease and graphite are easily removed.  I remove the springs, wipe them down and make sure they are clean and have no cracks, then I reinstall them greasing as I go.  That is the best job because you ensure reliability.  

> From: vinyl.visions at live.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:03:14 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> 
> Yes, if you want the best job, you have to open the spring barrels - don't remove the springs - and pack some grease around the springs. Any good grease will work. It will keep the sprinngs from clunking and making noise when playing.
> 
> Curt
>  
> > From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:34:36 +0100
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> > 
> > > I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps,
> > 
> > Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my poor english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty different words (pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, resbal?n, etc.) but I think I need to improve my english lexicon.
> > 
> > When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and separate the three spring cans?
> > 
> > Gabriel.
> > 
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From mtucker at exemail.com.au  Sun Feb 14 13:41:47 2010
From: mtucker at exemail.com.au (Mike Tucker)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:41:47 +1100
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>
	<BLU132-W21D01B812DC1EB5ECA80E59E4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FAB3C34CB8AD4DCAB5F6BA216D41FB84@mikefb1afb33f4>

This is a serial number for a late Spring Motor machine and likely the only 
reference to this on the machine would be the plate on the front with 
"Spring Motor For Phonograph" in front of the mandrel.

The Spring Motor machines have a nickel plated brass button which is held in 
place by a "T" shaped spring on the inside of the lid.

Not very safe for carrying, but OK to hold the lid in place.

These can be made.

Mike Tucker

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Angstman" <vinyl.visions at live.com>
To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.



Does it have a model number on the tag? I am assuming that this is a 
cylinder type Edison machine?

> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:33:29 +0100
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
>
> My phonograph is a Spring Motor and I think it was bought in 1898 because 
> of the record collection that was with it. Serial Number is 29251. Latches 
> are not like the ones in the photo nor like the standard. In this spring 
> motor, latches are automatic with (I suppouse) springs or something like 
> springs that makes a click when you fit the lid. And a knob outside the 
> lid, at both sides, to press for releasing. Well, that is what I think is 
> has to be, because it lacks the latches mechanism in the lid sides.
>
> Gabriel.
>
>
>
> El 14/02/2010, a las 18:06, Curt Angstman escribi?:
>
> >
> > For the latches - are you talking about the ones that slide in from the 
> > side to keep the lid on - like on a Standard? Or are you talking about 
> > an early "suitcase Home" which has latches like a toolbox or lunchbox? 
> > What Model is your phonograph?
> >
> > Curt
> >
> >> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> >> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:34:36 +0100
> >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> >>
> >>> I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" 
> >>> system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hope this helps,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my 
> >> poor english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty 
> >> different words (pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, 
> >> resbal?n, etc.) but I think I need to improve my english lexicon.
> >>
> >> When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and 
> >> separate the three spring cans?
> >>
> >> Gabriel.
> >>
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Sun Feb 14 14:16:34 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:16:34 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>


Hello Greg,

I cannot agree more.  I put a spring in a plastic bag with WD-40 for long term storage and the spring rusted.  WD-40 does nothing to help removing old grease and gasoline actually make it harder to remove.

Molybdenum-disulfide  performs the same function as graphite without the abrasive qualities of the graphite.

Steve

> From: gbogantz1 at charter.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:17:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
>     I wish people would stop recommending WD-40 as an all-purpose lubricant. 
> It is particularly UNSUITABLE for lubricating fine mechanisms with small 
> parts.  It was originally designed as a  waterproofing agent, hence, it's 
> name "WD-40" refers to the fact that it is a "water displacement" product, 
> this being the "40"th attempt.  It was invented in 1953, before which time 
> plenty of other products were found quite suitable for lubrication purposes. 
> The long-term ingredient is a VISCOUS oil that is carried by a light, highly 
> volatile mineral oil carrier, similar to kerosene.  The kerosene acts as a 
> penetrating agent which serves to carry the heavy oil into cracks and 
> crevices, the better to waterproof the treated object.  So, yes, the 
> kerosene performs as a penetrating oil for about 5 minutes.  Then the 
> kerosene evaporates, and you're left with the sticky oil worked into the 
> cracks and crannies.  See the description and ingredients here:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40
> 
> This description has fit my experience exactly.  After the carrier 
> evaporates, you've got a sticky, tacky mess left on the object you're trying 
> to "lubricate".  Bad choice for small gears and pinions.  I find that WD-40 
> is useful primarily for exactly what it was originally intended - 
> waterproofing.  And it functions as a lubricant for heavier mechanisms, 
> although a proper oil or grease is far preferable.
> 
>     If you want a penetrating oil, use pure kerosene.  I use an automotive 
> product that consists of a very light volatile carrier with suspended tiny 
> graphite particles called "Part-Ease".  It's particularly good for stuck 
> rusty parts.  Don't know if that brand is still available - the can I'm 
> using is one I bought 30 years ago.  Works good on exhaust manifold bolts on 
> cars and motorcycles.  If you want a proper lubricant for fine mechanisms 
> like clocks and similar low-torque mechanisms, use a proper very light oil 
> such as can be purchased from clock repair parts suppliers.  Proper light 
> clock oil does not dry up or get tacky.  And it's available in various 
> viscosities for light, medium, and moderately heavy torque applications. 
> For most phonograph mechanisms, I find that ordinary 20 or 30 weight 
> automotive motor oil works quite well.  For sliding surfaces such as the 
> reproducer bearing bar surfaces on many Edison cylinder machines, I use a 
> mixture of 30 weight oil and a PTFE (teflon) product such as "Slick 50". 
> The PTFE provides long lasting surface penetration into the metal for 
> superior reduction of sliding friction and stiction.  Actually, I like this 
> oil-PTFE mixture so well that I now use if for all my medium-duty 
> lubrication needs.  For very heavy torque applications such as the main bull 
> gears of phonographs, an ordinary automotive grease is appropriate.  I use a 
> molybdenum-disulfide based grease ("molly dum-dum" for you motorcycle 
> wrenches out there) for most applications.  It doesn't dry out, channel, and 
> get stiff like many lithium based greases.
> 
> Greg Bogantz
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt Angstman" <vinyl.visions at live.com>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Gabriel,
> 
> 
> 
> For basic motor cleaning, remove the motor from the machine and find a 
> container large enough to fit it in. Fill the container with kerosene and 
> let it soak for several days. Use a toothbrush to remove sludge from gears 
> and small parts. Kerosene will not harm your motor and will actually 
> lubricate it. When you are through, you need to re-grease the spring, if 
> possible. Grease will continue to leak from the motor for awhile, since the 
> kerosene dissolves it, so you will want to put a rag under it after it is 
> re-installed. I also use WD 40 and spray lithium grease to re-lube the 
> motor. WD 40 also will remove crud from the wood cabinet or painted surfaces 
> without harming the finish - I use it on my BMW to remove tar, etc. It's a 
> great product and has many uses, like removing sticker glue, tar and grease. 
> It is also wonderful for re-energizing the paint on a horn. On black horns, 
> I touch up scratches with a Sharpie marker and/or liquid gun bluing (gun 
> bluing works great to "age" metal parts) and then clean the horn with WD 40. 
> On painted or flowered horns, it cleans and deepens the colors. Neither 
> kerosene or WD 40 will harm painted or nickel finished parts. WD 40 also 
> restores and cleans 78 records and Amberol cylinders. Some people will 
> disagree with that, but take a dirty, scratchy 78 record and try it - it 
> will improve the sound and make it look better - and absolutely NO damage to 
> the record - spray it on and wipe it off. I have used this method for over 
> 30 years and have never had any damage to my records. It will not dissolve 
> 78 rpm records or celluloid, but DO NOT use it on wax cylinders!!!
> 
> 
> 
> I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. 
> Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Curt
> 
> > From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:46:07 +0100
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> >
> > I have just begun to clean my old and dirty Edison Spring Motor and it is 
> > a very heavy work. Do any of you know what kind of product I can use to 
> > solve the wax and grease that is on all the surfaces of the phonograph? I 
> > don't want to damage the black paint nor the chrome finish of parts.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > I also need some help for lacking parts. I need a speed regulating screw 
> > knob and the lid lacks some metal parts to fit the phonograph base. If any 
> > of you can send me photos of how must be the complete "click-fitting" 
> > system, I think I can make an idea.
> >
> > And, for the Bettinis, I need mica and metal foil diaphragms as well as 
> > the recorder stylus that it lacks.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Gabriel.
> >
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From AllenAmet at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 14:34:37 2010
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:34:37 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing/serial#
Message-ID: <22910.2e8aeb05.38a9d47d@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/14/2010 5:00:01 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time, writes:

"> My  phonograph is a Spring Motor and I think it was bought in 1898 
because of  the record collection that was with it. Serial Number is 29251.  "
------------------------
That serial number seems more like the year 1900. Bettini items were indeed 
 being sold in Spain at that time. The aluminum diaphragms on the 
reproducers  were very thin and fragile, but they gave excellent results when new.
 
Allen
 _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) 
 

 

From john9ten at pacbell.net  Sun Feb 14 15:10:37 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:10:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] An Impossible Search
Message-ID: <528281.73629.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good day all
I am looking for something that is possibly impossible to find. I have been given an early Triumph B to clean up and get running. It has the shaving attachment, however the shaver itself and the little rod and head that it attaches to is gone. What are the chances of finding that part alone? Anyone? Alternatively I suppose we could look for an entire new shaving device...
Thanks for any leads!
John Robles

From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Sun Feb 14 15:12:49 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:12:49 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <21851A4F-4CCC-466A-9C99-F0A43FA46030@telefonica.net>
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	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>	<BLU132-W11F71A58ABA5D261C8821E9E4B0@phx.gbl>
	<21851A4F-4CCC-466A-9C99-F0A43FA46030@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <4B788371.7000409@octoxol.com>

Gabriel;
This is the entire latch assembly.  The "T" bar piece is the latch and 
the spring presses it out into engagement with the base.  The button 
passes through the side of the case and is then riveted to the "T" bar 
latch.

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From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sun Feb 14 15:17:17 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:17:17 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <4B788371.7000409@octoxol.com>
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	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>	<BLU132-W11F71A58ABA5D261C8821E9E4B0@phx.gbl>
	<21851A4F-4CCC-466A-9C99-F0A43FA46030@telefonica.net>
	<4B788371.7000409@octoxol.com>
Message-ID: <76212362-F232-4890-97EC-8E58CA64585C@telefonica.net>

Thank you very much. Then I think in the drawer of the phonograph are parts for one side. I have to find for the other side.

Thanks again,

Gabriel



El 15/02/2010, a las 00:12, Rich escribi?:

> Gabriel;
> This is the entire latch assembly.  The "T" bar piece is the latch and the spring presses it out into engagement with the base.  The button passes through the side of the case and is then riveted to the "T" bar latch.
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From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Sun Feb 14 15:18:52 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:18:52 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B7884DC.8060804@octoxol.com>

Or powdered mica, which is much easier to get a hold of.  If the 
original graphite and Vaseline has oxidized to a lumpy solid it must be 
removed from the spring by mechanical means.  Or the use of chemical 
solvents that are no longer available.

Steven Medved wrote:
> Hello Greg,
> 
> I cannot agree more.  I put a spring in a plastic bag with WD-40 for long term storage and the spring rusted.  WD-40 does nothing to help removing old grease and gasoline actually make it harder to remove.
> 
> Molybdenum-disulfide  performs the same function as graphite without the abrasive qualities of the graphite.
> 
> Steve
> 

From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Sun Feb 14 15:22:49 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:22:49 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <76212362-F232-4890-97EC-8E58CA64585C@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>	<BLU132-W11F71A58ABA5D261C8821E9E4B0@phx.gbl>	<21851A4F-4CCC-466A-9C99-F0A43FA46030@telefonica.net>	<4B788371.7000409@octoxol.com>
	<76212362-F232-4890-97EC-8E58CA64585C@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <4B7885C9.1090005@octoxol.com>

This is another view of the entire assembly.  If you have one of them 
then just about anyone can make a clone. Beware that the latch really 
does not work so never pick the  machine up by the cover handle as they 
tend to unlatch without warning while the machine is far from the floor.

Gabriel Marro wrote:
> Thank you very much. Then I think in the drawer of the phonograph are parts for one side. I have to find for the other side.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Gabriel
> 
> 
> 
> El 15/02/2010, a las 00:12, Rich escribi?:
> 
>> Gabriel;
>> This is the entire latch assembly.  The "T" bar piece is the latch and the spring presses it out into engagement with the base.  The button passes through the side of the case and is then riveted to the "T" bar latch.
>>
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From appywander at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 15 07:21:27 2010
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	, , <35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>,
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>

The light oil in WD-40 is fish oil. I agree, this stuff -- along with garbage 'disposals' and 'duct' tape -- is one of the most mis-marketed, mis-recommended, and mis-used consumer items on the planet! Back when I was in facilities management, I cannot tell you how many locks I encountered that someone had 'lubricated' by spraying WD-40 into the keyway turning the dry powdered graphite lube into a cementitious mass that requires disassembly and cleaning of the lock.  When I found a can of 'WD-DooDoo' (as I like to call it) on a maintenance man's shelf, I would confiscate it. That stuff is 99% useless.  

> From: steve_noreen at msn.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:16:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> 
> 
> Hello Greg,
> 
> I cannot agree more.  I put a spring in a plastic bag with WD-40 for long term storage and the spring rusted.  WD-40 does nothing to help removing old grease and gasoline actually make it harder to remove.
> 
> Molybdenum-disulfide  performs the same function as graphite without the abrasive qualities of the graphite.
> 
> Steve
> 
> > From: gbogantz1 at charter.net
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:17:17 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> > 
> >     I wish people would stop recommending WD-40 as an all-purpose lubricant. 
> > It is particularly UNSUITABLE for lubricating fine mechanisms with small 
> > parts.  It was originally designed as a  waterproofing agent, hence, it's 
> > name "WD-40" refers to the fact that it is a "water displacement" product, 
> > this being the "40"th attempt.  It was invented in 1953, before which time 
> > plenty of other products were found quite suitable for lubrication purposes. 
> > The long-term ingredient is a VISCOUS oil that is carried by a light, highly 
> > volatile mineral oil carrier, similar to kerosene.  The kerosene acts as a 
> > penetrating agent which serves to carry the heavy oil into cracks and 
> > crevices, the better to waterproof the treated object.  So, yes, the 
> > kerosene performs as a penetrating oil for about 5 minutes.  Then the 
> > kerosene evaporates, and you're left with the sticky oil worked into the 
> > cracks and crannies.  See the description and ingredients here:
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40
> > 
> > This description has fit my experience exactly.  After the carrier 
> > evaporates, you've got a sticky, tacky mess left on the object you're trying 
> > to "lubricate".  Bad choice for small gears and pinions.  I find that WD-40 
> > is useful primarily for exactly what it was originally intended - 
> > waterproofing.  And it functions as a lubricant for heavier mechanisms, 
> > although a proper oil or grease is far preferable.
> > 
> >     If you want a penetrating oil, use pure kerosene.  I use an automotive 
> > product that consists of a very light volatile carrier with suspended tiny 
> > graphite particles called "Part-Ease".  It's particularly good for stuck 
> > rusty parts.  Don't know if that brand is still available - the can I'm 
> > using is one I bought 30 years ago.  Works good on exhaust manifold bolts on 
> > cars and motorcycles.  If you want a proper lubricant for fine mechanisms 
> > like clocks and similar low-torque mechanisms, use a proper very light oil 
> > such as can be purchased from clock repair parts suppliers.  Proper light 
> > clock oil does not dry up or get tacky.  And it's available in various 
> > viscosities for light, medium, and moderately heavy torque applications. 
> > For most phonograph mechanisms, I find that ordinary 20 or 30 weight 
> > automotive motor oil works quite well.  For sliding surfaces such as the 
> > reproducer bearing bar surfaces on many Edison cylinder machines, I use a 
> > mixture of 30 weight oil and a PTFE (teflon) product such as "Slick 50". 
> > The PTFE provides long lasting surface penetration into the metal for 
> > superior reduction of sliding friction and stiction.  Actually, I like this 
> > oil-PTFE mixture so well that I now use if for all my medium-duty 
> > lubrication needs.  For very heavy torque applications such as the main bull 
> > gears of phonographs, an ordinary automotive grease is appropriate.  I use a 
> > molybdenum-disulfide based grease ("molly dum-dum" for you motorcycle 
> > wrenches out there) for most applications.  It doesn't dry out, channel, and 
> > get stiff like many lithium based greases.
> > 
> > Greg Bogantz
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Curt Angstman" <vinyl.visions at live.com>
> > To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Gabriel,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > For basic motor cleaning, remove the motor from the machine and find a 
> > container large enough to fit it in. Fill the container with kerosene and 
> > let it soak for several days. Use a toothbrush to remove sludge from gears 
> > and small parts. Kerosene will not harm your motor and will actually 
> > lubricate it. When you are through, you need to re-grease the spring, if 
> > possible. Grease will continue to leak from the motor for awhile, since the 
> > kerosene dissolves it, so you will want to put a rag under it after it is 
> > re-installed. I also use WD 40 and spray lithium grease to re-lube the 
> > motor. WD 40 also will remove crud from the wood cabinet or painted surfaces 
> > without harming the finish - I use it on my BMW to remove tar, etc. It's a 
> > great product and has many uses, like removing sticker glue, tar and grease. 
> > It is also wonderful for re-energizing the paint on a horn. On black horns, 
> > I touch up scratches with a Sharpie marker and/or liquid gun bluing (gun 
> > bluing works great to "age" metal parts) and then clean the horn with WD 40. 
> > On painted or flowered horns, it cleans and deepens the colors. Neither 
> > kerosene or WD 40 will harm painted or nickel finished parts. WD 40 also 
> > restores and cleans 78 records and Amberol cylinders. Some people will 
> > disagree with that, but take a dirty, scratchy 78 record and try it - it 
> > will improve the sound and make it look better - and absolutely NO damage to 
> > the record - spray it on and wipe it off. I have used this method for over 
> > 30 years and have never had any damage to my records. It will not dissolve 
> > 78 rpm records or celluloid, but DO NOT use it on wax cylinders!!!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. 
> > Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> > 
> > Curt
> > 
> > > From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:46:07 +0100
> > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > > Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
> > >
> > > I have just begun to clean my old and dirty Edison Spring Motor and it is 
> > > a very heavy work. Do any of you know what kind of product I can use to 
> > > solve the wax and grease that is on all the surfaces of the phonograph? I 
> > > don't want to damage the black paint nor the chrome finish of parts.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > I also need some help for lacking parts. I need a speed regulating screw 
> > > knob and the lid lacks some metal parts to fit the phonograph base. If any 
> > > of you can send me photos of how must be the complete "click-fitting" 
> > > system, I think I can make an idea.
> > >
> > > And, for the Bettinis, I need mica and metal foil diaphragms as well as 
> > > the recorder stylus that it lacks.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > Gabriel.
> > >
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From gabrielmarro at telefonica.net  Sun Feb 14 21:17:06 2010
From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net (Gabriel Marro)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:17:06 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <FAB3C34CB8AD4DCAB5F6BA216D41FB84@mikefb1afb33f4>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>,
	<BLU132-W45F96B9565F096583E5289E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3ABA24AC-7539-4D3A-9544-E08271949669@telefonica.net>
	<BLU132-W21D01B812DC1EB5ECA80E59E4B0@phx.gbl>
	<FAB3C34CB8AD4DCAB5F6BA216D41FB84@mikefb1afb33f4>
Message-ID: <77465A29-60C0-4778-9583-AC6A28259AEA@telefonica.net>

> This is a serial number for a late Spring Motor machine and likely the only reference to this on the machine would be the plate on the front with "Spring Motor For Phonograph" in front of the mandrel.

No plate in front of the mandrel in this phonograph nor in any other Spring Motor I have seen in Spain. Only a plate on the top with patent dates and serial number. No "Spring Motor" words in any place of this phonograph. Look at this picture of another Spring Motor from Spain:
http://www.coleccionfb.com/Edison-Bettini.htm

Perhaps they are Class M converted to Spring Motor? All spanish catalogs of phonograph shops did that conversion for half the price of a Class M.

Gabriel.


From phonofolks at aol.com  Mon Feb 15 08:01:27 2010
From: phonofolks at aol.com (phonofolks at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:01:27 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
In-Reply-To: <201002071528.3UHRQ00@cat2.com>
References: <201002071528.3UHRQ00@cat2.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7C6F44051EFE-2FF4-26603@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>



What ssiping software does the list recommend to use with ebay? I have not utilized sniping software before and I would like to know which software phono-Lers recommend. Thanks!

Rick





From lherault at bu.edu  Sun Feb 14 17:07:20 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:07:20 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>
	<B7A706C1-BE09-41D2-87B0-992E37CFFAAE@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <000001caaddb$39aa36e0$acfea4a0$@edu>

Unless the springs thump when they unwind I would not open the cans to
re-grease.  Instead, use WD-40(which is mostly kerosene, I beleive) or
straight kerosene (stove or lamp oil) and apply it to the gears with a
stiff, long bristled brush.  Re lubricate bearings with oil and re-grease
gears.  I use mechanic's waterless hand cleaner (without Pumic!) to clean
the upper works and case.  This material will not hurt the finish of either
surface either and it cuts through old oil and grease and wax.  I wipe it
on, let it sit or rub it in and then remove with clean paper towels or
cloth.  Repeat until the wipe-off cloth does not show dirt.

You should be able to get case parts from George Vollema,
victrola at triton.net , but give him a few days before you contact him.  His
wife has just passed away.  If you know the diameter of the diaphragm,
George may have a mica one for you.  I don't know about the aluminum one. I
doubt that he would have a recording stylus either but you can always ask.

Ron 

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Gabriel Marro
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:35 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.

> I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting"
system. Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,

Thanks for your help. And YES, I am talking about latches. Excuse my poor
english. I can say latches in spanish with more than twenty different words
(pestillo, falleba, pasador, picaporte, cierre, fiador, resbal?n, etc.) but
I think I need to improve my english lexicon.

When you say re-grease the spring, are you talking about open and separate
the three spring cans?

Gabriel.
 
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 15 10:52:01 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:52:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
In-Reply-To: <8CC7C6F44051EFE-2FF4-26603@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <233686.27345.qm@web80703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sniping used to be highly denigrated, and now it seems everyone uses it. I believe eBay bought eSnipe, just like they bought Paypal. eSnipe seems to be the most widely used. I think it was the first one.
I don't see the problem with sniping, because whether you snipe or bid publicly, you're only bidding up to the max of what you want to pay. If I bid $200 on something and someone snipes me for $201, well, $200 was the limit of what I was willing to pay. No use crying because I missed it for a dollar more.
John Robles

--- On Mon, 2/15/10, phonofolks at aol.com <phonofolks at aol.com> wrote:

From: phonofolks at aol.com <phonofolks at aol.com>
Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:01 AM



What ssiping software does the list recommend to use with ebay? I have not utilized sniping software before and I would like to know which software phono-Lers recommend. Thanks!

Rick




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From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Mon Feb 15 11:17:18 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:17:18 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>,
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B799DBE.2000802@octoxol.com>

You should have also chopped off his spay button finger.....

John Maeder wrote:
> The light oil in WD-40 is fish oil. I agree, this stuff -- along with garbage 'disposals' and 'duct' tape -- is one of the most mis-marketed, mis-recommended, and mis-used consumer items on the planet! Back when I was in facilities management, I cannot tell you how many locks I encountered that someone had 'lubricated' by spraying WD-40 into the keyway turning the dry powdered graphite lube into a cementitious mass that requires disassembly and cleaning of the lock.  When I found a can of 'WD-DooDoo' (as I like to call it) on a maintenance man's shelf, I would confiscate it. That stuff is 99% useless.  
> 
>> From: steve_noreen at msn.com
>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:16:34 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
>>
>>
>> Hello Greg,
>>
>> I cannot agree more.  I put a spring in a plastic bag with WD-40 for long term storage and the spring rusted.  WD-40 does nothing to help removing old grease and gasoline actually make it harder to remove.
>>
>> Molybdenum-disulfide  performs the same function as graphite without the abrasive qualities of the graphite.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> From: gbogantz1 at charter.net
>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:17:17 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
>>>
>>>     I wish people would stop recommending WD-40 as an all-purpose lubricant. 
>>> It is particularly UNSUITABLE for lubricating fine mechanisms with small 
>>> parts.  It was originally designed as a  waterproofing agent, hence, it's 
>>> name "WD-40" refers to the fact that it is a "water displacement" product, 
>>> this being the "40"th attempt.  It was invented in 1953, before which time 
>>> plenty of other products were found quite suitable for lubrication purposes. 
>>> The long-term ingredient is a VISCOUS oil that is carried by a light, highly 
>>> volatile mineral oil carrier, similar to kerosene.  The kerosene acts as a 
>>> penetrating agent which serves to carry the heavy oil into cracks and 
>>> crevices, the better to waterproof the treated object.  So, yes, the 
>>> kerosene performs as a penetrating oil for about 5 minutes.  Then the 
>>> kerosene evaporates, and you're left with the sticky oil worked into the 
>>> cracks and crannies.  See the description and ingredients here:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40
>>>
>>> This description has fit my experience exactly.  After the carrier 
>>> evaporates, you've got a sticky, tacky mess left on the object you're trying 
>>> to "lubricate".  Bad choice for small gears and pinions.  I find that WD-40 
>>> is useful primarily for exactly what it was originally intended - 
>>> waterproofing.  And it functions as a lubricant for heavier mechanisms, 
>>> although a proper oil or grease is far preferable.
>>>
>>>     If you want a penetrating oil, use pure kerosene.  I use an automotive 
>>> product that consists of a very light volatile carrier with suspended tiny 
>>> graphite particles called "Part-Ease".  It's particularly good for stuck 
>>> rusty parts.  Don't know if that brand is still available - the can I'm 
>>> using is one I bought 30 years ago.  Works good on exhaust manifold bolts on 
>>> cars and motorcycles.  If you want a proper lubricant for fine mechanisms 
>>> like clocks and similar low-torque mechanisms, use a proper very light oil 
>>> such as can be purchased from clock repair parts suppliers.  Proper light 
>>> clock oil does not dry up or get tacky.  And it's available in various 
>>> viscosities for light, medium, and moderately heavy torque applications. 
>>> For most phonograph mechanisms, I find that ordinary 20 or 30 weight 
>>> automotive motor oil works quite well.  For sliding surfaces such as the 
>>> reproducer bearing bar surfaces on many Edison cylinder machines, I use a 
>>> mixture of 30 weight oil and a PTFE (teflon) product such as "Slick 50". 
>>> The PTFE provides long lasting surface penetration into the metal for 
>>> superior reduction of sliding friction and stiction.  Actually, I like this 
>>> oil-PTFE mixture so well that I now use if for all my medium-duty 
>>> lubrication needs.  For very heavy torque applications such as the main bull 
>>> gears of phonographs, an ordinary automotive grease is appropriate.  I use a 
>>> molybdenum-disulfide based grease ("molly dum-dum" for you motorcycle 
>>> wrenches out there) for most applications.  It doesn't dry out, channel, and 
>>> get stiff like many lithium based greases.
>>>
>>> Greg Bogantz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Curt Angstman" <vinyl.visions at live.com>
>>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Gabriel,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For basic motor cleaning, remove the motor from the machine and find a 
>>> container large enough to fit it in. Fill the container with kerosene and 
>>> let it soak for several days. Use a toothbrush to remove sludge from gears 
>>> and small parts. Kerosene will not harm your motor and will actually 
>>> lubricate it. When you are through, you need to re-grease the spring, if 
>>> possible. Grease will continue to leak from the motor for awhile, since the 
>>> kerosene dissolves it, so you will want to put a rag under it after it is 
>>> re-installed. I also use WD 40 and spray lithium grease to re-lube the 
>>> motor. WD 40 also will remove crud from the wood cabinet or painted surfaces 
>>> without harming the finish - I use it on my BMW to remove tar, etc. It's a 
>>> great product and has many uses, like removing sticker glue, tar and grease. 
>>> It is also wonderful for re-energizing the paint on a horn. On black horns, 
>>> I touch up scratches with a Sharpie marker and/or liquid gun bluing (gun 
>>> bluing works great to "age" metal parts) and then clean the horn with WD 40. 
>>> On painted or flowered horns, it cleans and deepens the colors. Neither 
>>> kerosene or WD 40 will harm painted or nickel finished parts. WD 40 also 
>>> restores and cleans 78 records and Amberol cylinders. Some people will 
>>> disagree with that, but take a dirty, scratchy 78 record and try it - it 
>>> will improve the sound and make it look better - and absolutely NO damage to 
>>> the record - spray it on and wipe it off. I have used this method for over 
>>> 30 years and have never had any damage to my records. It will not dissolve 
>>> 78 rpm records or celluloid, but DO NOT use it on wax cylinders!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't help with the parts, but what do you mean by "click-fitting" system. 
>>> Are you talking about the latches on an early Edison?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Curt
>>>
>>>> From: gabrielmarro at telefonica.net
>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:46:07 +0100
>>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>>>> Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
>>>>
>>>> I have just begun to clean my old and dirty Edison Spring Motor and it is 
>>>> a very heavy work. Do any of you know what kind of product I can use to 
>>>> solve the wax and grease that is on all the surfaces of the phonograph? I 
>>>> don't want to damage the black paint nor the chrome finish of parts.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> I also need some help for lacking parts. I need a speed regulating screw 
>>>> knob and the lid lacks some metal parts to fit the phonograph base. If any 
>>>> of you can send me photos of how must be the complete "click-fitting" 
>>>> system, I think I can make an idea.
>>>>
>>>> And, for the Bettinis, I need mica and metal foil diaphragms as well as 
>>>> the recorder stylus that it lacks.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Gabriel.
>>>>
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Mon Feb 15 11:38:10 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:38:10 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , 
	, <35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>,
	,,<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	, , <AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>, ,
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>,
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>


Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail and believed it for a while.  Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.

http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf


Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%

Petroleum Base Oil  less than 25%

LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon  12 to 18%

Carbon Dioxide 2 to 3%

Surfactant less than 2%

Non-Hazardous Ingredients less than 10%
 		 	   		  

From seymorepots at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 15 11:25:53 2010
From: seymorepots at hotmail.com (s.l. rexrode)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:25:53 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
In-Reply-To: <233686.27345.qm@web80703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CC7C6F44051EFE-2FF4-26603@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>,
	<233686.27345.qm@web80703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY139-W9D0A4E89073E2FD2CEF56AD4A0@phx.gbl>


Sniping is common practice because I feel eBay has set things up this way.  Years ago, I suggestedto eBay that they conduct their auctions more like real life auctions.  This could easily be done if eBay wouldextend an auction 5 minutes if any bid came in during the last 5 minutes of an auction (or "x" number of minutes).This would simulate real auctions by the common practice of the "going...going....gone" method of selling.Bidders could still bid up to their maximum and I feel the seller would get the best price this way.  Perhaps if eBayinstituted this method of selling, most of the bids would come in at the end, but then again many eBay auctionssee a flurry of activity at the end.  If I bid, say $200 (whether on eBay or a live auction) and the next bidder came in at $201, chances are I would consider bidding $202 (or higher) depending upon how bad I wanted that item.  Attimes, it would be nice to have a second (or third) chance at something.....on eBay that is.
Lee Rexrode--------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:52:01 -0800
> From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sniping software
> 
> Sniping used to be highly denigrated, and now it seems everyone uses it. I believe eBay bought eSnipe, just like they bought Paypal. eSnipe seems to be the most widely used. I think it was the first one.
> I don't see the problem with sniping, because whether you snipe or bid publicly, you're only bidding up to the max of what you want to pay. If I bid $200 on something and someone snipes me for $201, well, $200 was the limit of what I was willing to pay. No use crying because I missed it for a dollar more.
> John Robles
> 
> --- On Mon, 2/15/10, phonofolks at aol.com <phonofolks at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> From: phonofolks at aol.com <phonofolks at aol.com>
> Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:01 AM
> 
> 
> 
> What ssiping software does the list recommend to use with ebay? I have not utilized sniping software before and I would like to know which software phono-Lers recommend. Thanks!
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 15 12:27:11 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:27:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-W9D0A4E89073E2FD2CEF56AD4A0@phx.gbl>
References: <8CC7C6F44051EFE-2FF4-26603@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>,
	<233686.27345.qm@web80703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY139-W9D0A4E89073E2FD2CEF56AD4A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <12809.2177.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I agree with John. I know about sniping and put on my absolute  maximum bid. If it goes more, then so be it. I know what these items are worth to me and have my maximum bid set that way. Chances are, I will find the item later on at a good price, regardless if it is on ebay or from a fellow collector. 
Harvey Kravitz





________________________________
From: s.l. rexrode <seymorepots at hotmail.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 11:25:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sniping software


Sniping is common practice because I feel eBay has set things up this way.  Years ago, I suggestedto eBay that they conduct their auctions more like real life auctions.  This could easily be done if eBay wouldextend an auction 5 minutes if any bid came in during the last 5 minutes of an auction (or "x" number of minutes).This would simulate real auctions by the common practice of the "going...going....gone" method of selling.Bidders could still bid up to their maximum and I feel the seller would get the best price this way.  Perhaps if eBayinstituted this method of selling, most of the bids would come in at the end, but then again many eBay auctionssee a flurry of activity at the end.  If I bid, say $200 (whether on eBay or a live auction) and the next bidder came in at $201, chances are I would consider bidding $202 (or higher) depending upon how bad I wanted that item.  Attimes, it would be nice to have a second (or third) chance at something.....on
 eBay that is.
Lee Rexrode--------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:52:01 -0800
> From: john9ten at pacbell.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sniping software
> 
> Sniping used to be highly denigrated, and now it seems everyone uses it. I believe eBay bought eSnipe, just like they bought Paypal. eSnipe seems to be the most widely used. I think it was the first one.
> I don't see the problem with sniping, because whether you snipe or bid publicly, you're only bidding up to the max of what you want to pay. If I bid $200 on something and someone snipes me for $201, well, $200 was the limit of what I was willing to pay. No use crying because I missed it for a dollar more.
> John Robles
> 
> --- On Mon, 2/15/10, phonofolks at aol.com <phonofolks at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> From: phonofolks at aol.com <phonofolks at aol.com>
> Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 8:01 AM
> 
> 
> 
> What ssiping software does the list recommend to use with ebay? I have not utilized sniping software before and I would like to know which software phono-Lers recommend. Thanks!
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From appywander at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 15 12:33:26 2010
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:33:26 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,,,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, , , ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, , , 
	, <AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>,
	, , <COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>,
	<COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W357762EFBDC31885DA2D37DC4A0@phx.gbl>

They must have changed formulation. Just a few years ago, I recall reading the obituary of one of the founders and he boasted that he could drink the main active ingredient with no I'll effects. It must actually be WD-41 now!

> From: steve_noreen at msn.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:38:10 -0500
> Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
> 
> 
> Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail and believed it for a while.  Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.
> 
> http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf
> 
> 
> Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%
> 
> Petroleum Base Oil  less than 25%
> 
> LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon  12 to 18%
> 
> Carbon Dioxide 2 to 3%
> 
> Surfactant less than 2%
> 
> Non-Hazardous Ingredients less than 10%
>  		 	   		  
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From pjfraser at mac.com  Mon Feb 15 12:49:47 2010
From: pjfraser at mac.com (Peter Fraser)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:49:47 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Cleaning a phonograph. Wax removing.
In-Reply-To: <4B799DBE.2000802@octoxol.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>
	<4B799DBE.2000802@octoxol.com>
Message-ID: <2DC0BD57-153A-4885-9A81-EC54E0145FEF@mac.com>

Usually when we spay we cut something ELSE off!

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfraser at mac.com

On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Rich <rich-mail at octoxol.com> wrote:

> You should have also chopped off his spay button finger.....

From rvuill at comcast.net  Mon Feb 15 12:58:29 2010
From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:58:29 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , , , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, , , ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>, , ,
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>,
	<COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>
	<SNT120-W357762EFBDC31885DA2D37DC4A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B0593F8CF244CC7ACFD8BF4D40FB4EE@HPPC>

Interesting that you read this in his obituary.  Maybe that should tell you 
something.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Maeder" <appywander at hotmail.com>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WD 40


> They must have changed formulation. Just a few years ago, I recall reading 
> the obituary of one of the founders and he boasted that he could drink the 
> main active ingredient with no I'll effects. It must actually be WD-41 
> now!
>
>> From: steve_noreen at msn.com
>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:38:10 -0500
>> Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
>>
>>
>> Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail 
>> and believed it for a while.  Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.
>>
>> http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf
>>
>>
>> Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%
>>
>> Petroleum Base Oil  less than 25%
>>
>> LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon  12 to 18%
>>
>> Carbon Dioxide 2 to 3%
>>
>> Surfactant less than 2%
>>
>> Non-Hazardous Ingredients less than 10%
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
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From appywander at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 15 13:05:03 2010
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:05:03 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
In-Reply-To: <4B0593F8CF244CC7ACFD8BF4D40FB4EE@HPPC>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , , ,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
	,,<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, , ,
	,,<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	,,<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>, ,
	,,<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>,
	, , <SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>,
	<SNT120-W357762EFBDC31885DA2D37DC4A0@phx.gbl>,
	<4B0593F8CF244CC7ACFD8BF4D40FB4EE@HPPC>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W1C14FA2D413F3BA551934DC4A0@phx.gbl>

Good one! LOLOLOL!

> From: rvuill at comcast.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:58:29 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WD 40
> 
> Interesting that you read this in his obituary.  Maybe that should tell you 
> something.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Maeder" <appywander at hotmail.com>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WD 40
> 
> 
> > They must have changed formulation. Just a few years ago, I recall reading 
> > the obituary of one of the founders and he boasted that he could drink the 
> > main active ingredient with no I'll effects. It must actually be WD-41 
> > now!
> >
> >> From: steve_noreen at msn.com
> >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> >> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:38:10 -0500
> >> Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
> >>
> >>
> >> Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail 
> >> and believed it for a while.  Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.
> >>
> >> http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >> Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%
> >>
> >> Petroleum Base Oil  less than 25%
> >>
> >> LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon  12 to 18%
> >>
> >> Carbon Dioxide 2 to 3%
> >>
> >> Surfactant less than 2%
> >>
> >> Non-Hazardous Ingredients less than 10%
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Phono-L mailing list
> >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 
> 
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From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Mon Feb 15 13:14:06 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:14:06 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, , ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>, ,
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>,
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>
	<COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B79B91E.3010702@octoxol.com>

Its basically a non detergent SAE 5 weight oil and kerosene.  The oil 
has no rust and oxidation additives and will promptly turn into a hard 
varnish deposit.

Steven Medved wrote:
> Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail and believed it for a while.  Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.
> 
> http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf
> 
> 
> Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%
> 
> Petroleum Base Oil  less than 25%
> 
> LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon  12 to 18%
> 
> Carbon Dioxide 2 to 3%
> 
> Surfactant less than 2%
> 
> Non-Hazardous Ingredients less than 10%
>  		 	   		  
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> 

From edisone1 at verizon.net  Mon Feb 15 12:38:34 2010
From: edisone1 at verizon.net (DanKj)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,,,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, , , ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, , ,	,
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>,	, ,
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>,
	<COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>
	<SNT120-W357762EFBDC31885DA2D37DC4A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3662CAF8B8FD4DA1A0E30C9C05079421@moms>

Then again, I feed my cats Vaseline mixed with butter, to help hairballs 
continue on their merry way ...  haha


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Maeder" <appywander at hotmail.com>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WD 40


> They must have changed formulation. Just a few years ago, I recall reading 
> the obituary of one of the founders and he boasted that he could drink the 
> main active ingredient with no I'll effects. It must actually be WD-41 
> now!
> 


From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 15 16:01:34 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:01:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc Reproducer Needed
Message-ID: <838861.27351.qm@web80707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

hi
Has anyone got a gold DD reproducer available??
Thanks
John Robles

From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 15 18:36:57 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:36:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc Reproducer Found
Message-ID: <906804.57031.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all
I have obtained a reproducer and maybe even two.
Thanks to all
John Robles

From ClockworkHome at aol.com  Mon Feb 15 23:34:08 2010
From: ClockworkHome at aol.com (ClockworkHome at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 02:34:08 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Gabriel's Spring Motor w/Bettini
Message-ID: <21196.1653e7a1.38aba470@aol.com>

Dear Gabriel:
 
Very likely your Spring Motor was always a Spring Motor  IF  the phonograph 
body has NO lugs for the idler pulleys that M electric phonographs have to 
guide the leather belt from the mandrel pulley at right angle to the motor 
pulley.  The other difference is that the M electric will have an indented 
mandrel end for clearance with the endgate shield.  Your serial number is a 
late Spring Motor as the Triumph Model A in the 'New Style Cabinet' came out 
not too far higher in serials.
 
Both mica and thin aluminum sheet are readily available from industrial 
suppliers.  The missing 2 minute cutting stylus will be the same as the Edison 
cutting stylus.  So an old Edison Recorder could be used for donor parts.  
Perhaps the sylus mount for the recorder is on the Bettini patents if you do 
not have an example to duplicate.
 
Congratulations on getting this rare machine.
 
Kindest regards,
 
Al
 

From mf101723 at msn.com  Tue Feb 16 04:58:42 2010
From: mf101723 at msn.com (mark french)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:58:42 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Tungsten needle questions
Message-ID: <SNT106-W33D5A167F0D51B57D72E78C8490@phx.gbl>


I was looking at a thread from last year that included talking about some collectors making
 their own tungsten needles ("Victor vs. Columbia big guns").  I've been making my own needles too for use in my Victrola 10-50, the big acoustic machine with the auto changer.

I wanted to bounce off what I'm using to everybody and see if I am ok with what I'm using...
 maybe not ideal, but at the least, ok.  I'm using .006" wire from SmallParts.com, it comes in
 straight 5-foot long pieces.  However, in the specs on the website, it says 'Temper -
 Annealed'.

  There was a mention about annealed wire being too weak for use as needle tips.
  I have been using my needles for many months now, and as long as I make sure I don't
 go overboard with the length of the tungsten tip, I am not having significant problems with
 the wire tips being too weak.  Since they have thinner wire than the factory "Tonofone"
 needles I have, which I measured at .007", I make sure that my .006" tips are somewhat
 shorter than those.  There is also the factor that since I can make as many of these as I
 want for only about 2 cents each, I can afford to make the tips as short as I want.
  I mean I don't need them to last 50-100 records like a Tungstone - just enough to be able
 to play 2 or 3 or 4 12-record stacks.

Anyway - comments/suggestions?  Would annealed vs. not really make a significant difference
 in strength in this application?  Smallparts was the only place I could find to buy a small
 amount of this size wire.  I compromised with .006" wire, since .007" is too big and .005 was
 the next size available and it just won't take the weight.

Thanks!
Mark French



 		 	   		  

From steve_noreen at msn.com  Tue Feb 16 14:44:35 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:44:35 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
In-Reply-To: <4B79B91E.3010702@octoxol.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , ,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	,,<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, ,
	,,<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	,,<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>,
	, , <COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>,
	<COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>,
	<4B79B91E.3010702@octoxol.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W5324A060653B09737EDE76F6490@phx.gbl>


I appreciate you doing what I was unable to do, put it in understandable terms.

Thanks,

Steve


> Its basically a non detergent SAE 5 weight oil and kerosene.  The oil 
> has no rust and oxidation additives and will promptly turn into a hard 
> varnish deposit.
> 

> > Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail and believed it for a while.  Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.
> > 
> > http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf
> > 
> > 
> > Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%
> > 
> > Petroleum Base Oil  less than 25%
> > 
> > LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon  12 to 18%
> > 
> > Carbon Dioxide 2 to 3%
> > 
> > Surfactant less than 2%
> > 
> > Non-Hazardous Ingredients less than 10%
>
 		 	   		  

From khwright at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 16 17:26:32 2010
From: khwright at hotmail.com (Keith Wright)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:26:32 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
In-Reply-To: <7206E124532A444CB9ED8EBA4E9C69F4@moms>
References: <d1d.349c6a4c.360c4993@aol.com><000801c91eb6$71b50660$6401a8c0@Wilenzick>,
	, , , , <BAY139-W534127218350A5D381D43AF6440@phx.gbl>,,,
	, , <1C1490896A97492A8C3E5D66CFD7C36A@owner094cc0223>, , , ,
	<COL110-W179E564027B29628C1B613DB560@phx.gbl>, 
	, ,,<7511073D27F642A78D7CC6176AC105E0@moms>,
	,,<COL110-W44B941471AA45CB08609DCDB4B0@phx.gbl>,
	, , <4B782BEE.4060404@cox.net>, ,
	<BLU132-W275B767CB323E786A5A2F99E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<BLU132-W1484AE6A4D65EE43E3D0609E4B0@phx.gbl>,
	<7206E124532A444CB9ED8EBA4E9C69F4@moms>
Message-ID: <COL110-W46D3C8D288575F200BC6EDB480@phx.gbl>


Odd that two machines have the identical reproducer, if that's the case...

> From: edisone1 at verizon.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:52:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> 
>  It's because that isn't the original reproducer.  The one shown simply 
> won't work on this machine. .
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Curt Angstman" <vinyl.visions at live.com>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> 
> 
> 
> Looking at the leaning reproducer again, I noticed that the needlebar is the 
> part that is leaning. Is there a needlebar adjustment on this reproducer, 
> like on a Victor machine?
> 
> > From: vinyl.visions at live.com
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:41:03 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> >
> >
> > When examining both pictures, you will notice that the reproducers are 
> > different, even though they appear to have the same cutout pattern. The 
> > one that leans looks like it is larger than the other - maybe not 
> > significantly - but just enough to skew the angle.
> >
> >
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:59:26 -0500
> > > From: chrisk33 at cox.net
> > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.I
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia 122 angle correct?
> > >
> > > There is something wrong. Regardless of whether it is the correct tone
> > > arm for the machine, or the correct reproducer, the shaft of the needle
> 
> > > >
> > > > http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122%20angle.html
> > > >
> > > > Compare to another 122 shown below. The owner of this one has not 
> > > > replied to a request for more pictures.
> > > >
> > > > http://keithwright.ca/columbia122/columbiaport122.html
> > > >
> > > > Anyone got pictures of their 122 with the correct angle?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Tue Feb 16 20:25:41 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:25:41 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W5324A060653B09737EDE76F6490@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , , , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, , , ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>, , ,
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>,
	<COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>,
	<4B79B91E.3010702@octoxol.com>
	<COL118-W5324A060653B09737EDE76F6490@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B7B6FC5.7030304@octoxol.com>

The top of the line penetrating oil is Kroil made by Kano Labs.  It is 
cheapest to buy it by the gallon.  It is also available in spray cans 
but that makes it painfully expensive.  This is the only stuff that I 
have ever found that really works.

Steven Medved wrote:
> I appreciate you doing what I was unable to do, put it in understandable terms.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
>> Its basically a non detergent SAE 5 weight oil and kerosene.  The oil 
>> has no rust and oxidation additives and will promptly turn into a hard 
>> varnish deposit.
>>
> 
>>> Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) It is not fish oil, I got that e-mail and believed it for a while.  Below is the list from their MSDS sheet.
>>>
>>> http://www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> Aliphatic Hydrocarbon 45 to 50%
>>>
>>> Petroleum Base Oil  less than 25%
>>>
>>> LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon  12 to 18%
>>>
>>> Carbon Dioxide 2 to 3%
>>>
>>> Surfactant less than 2%
>>>
>>> Non-Hazardous Ingredients less than 10%
>  		 	   		  
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> 

From steve_noreen at msn.com  Wed Feb 17 08:23:54 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:23:54 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
In-Reply-To: <4B7B6FC5.7030304@octoxol.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
	,,<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , , ,
	,,<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
	,,<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, , ,
	,,<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	,,<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>, ,
	,,<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>,
	, , <SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<4B79B91E.3010702@octoxol.com>,
	<COL118-W5324A060653B09737EDE76F6490@phx.gbl>,
	<4B7B6FC5.7030304@octoxol.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W47C00D4F4F5D025E053AB9F6480@phx.gbl>


Rich,

We use Aero Kroil at work (aircraft mechanic) so I purchase it for home use.  They normally have a special deal on the internet.

http://www.kanolabs.com/google/

Currently the offer is 2 king size cans for $12 with postage paid.

That is 26 ounces for $12 at 46.15 cents an ounce, this includes shipping.

The gallon is $41.75 at 32.61 cents an ounce this does not include shipping.

Steve


> 
> The top of the line penetrating oil is Kroil made by Kano Labs.  It is 
> cheapest to buy it by the gallon.  It is also available in spray cans 
> but that makes it painfully expensive.  This is the only stuff that I 
> have ever found that really works.

 		 	   		  

From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Wed Feb 17 09:00:26 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:00:26 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] WD 40
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W47C00D4F4F5D025E053AB9F6480@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP18B2AA3211D06F00A60973D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , , , ,
	<3B4208FE6C774544982B30777550605C@GLASTRISPC>, , , , , ,
	<BLU0-SMTP1549671F673509DFC453D4D94B0@phx.gbl>, , , , , ,
	<35AAB276-0AC2-4B08-85F8-E91EA42BE536@telefonica.net>, , , , ,
	<BLU132-W29493714C9DB9AE7633BB79E4B0@phx.gbl>, , , , ,
	<AD3804B21BFB47DEAC5A1E62CFB07676@gbhpa1514n>, , , ,
	<COL118-W50953B5A90023BCD46B9D2F64B0@phx.gbl>, , ,
	<SNT120-W22692101CECD64C13DAC2CDC4A0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<COL118-W2667ADC472CCF8B3266F16F64A0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<4B79B91E.3010702@octoxol.com>,
	<COL118-W5324A060653B09737EDE76F6490@phx.gbl>,
	<4B7B6FC5.7030304@octoxol.com>
	<COL118-W47C00D4F4F5D025E053AB9F6480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B7C20AA.40904@octoxol.com>

Yes, I just buy it by the gallon and squirt it where it needs to go. 
The amount of control that you get from an aerosol spray is lacking. The 
last gallon I bought cam e with a big can of Areo Kroil and free 
shipping.  A gallon lasts for a long time.

Steven Medved wrote:
> Rich,
> 
> We use Aero Kroil at work (aircraft mechanic) so I purchase it for home use.  They normally have a special deal on the internet.
> 
> http://www.kanolabs.com/google/
> 
> Currently the offer is 2 king size cans for $12 with postage paid.
> 
> That is 26 ounces for $12 at 46.15 cents an ounce, this includes shipping.
> 
> The gallon is $41.75 at 32.61 cents an ounce this does not include shipping.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
>> The top of the line penetrating oil is Kroil made by Kano Labs.  It is 
>> cheapest to buy it by the gallon.  It is also available in spray cans 
>> but that makes it painfully expensive.  This is the only stuff that I 
>> have ever found that really works.
> 
>  		 	   		  
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> 

From msprinzen at juno.com  Tue Feb 16 15:35:03 2010
From: msprinzen at juno.com (Merle Sprinzen)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:35:03 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
Message-ID: <20100217.163925.4316.2.msprinzen@juno.com>

But if you were willing to pay more than $200 if there was a bit higher,
then you should put that higher bid into the snipe program.  If you put
the truly highest price you're willing to pay into the program you'll
never lose on an item you were willing to pay more for.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:25:53 -0500 "s.l. rexrode"
<seymorepots at hotmail.com> writes:
> 
> Sniping is common practice because I feel eBay has set things up 
> this way.  Years ago, I suggestedto eBay that they conduct their 
> auctions more like real life auctions.  This could easily be done if 
> eBay wouldextend an auction 5 minutes if any bid came in during the 
> last 5 minutes of an auction (or "x" number of minutes).This would 
> simulate real auctions by the common practice of the 
> "going...going....gone" method of selling.Bidders could still bid up 
> to their maximum and I feel the seller would get the best price this 
> way.  Perhaps if eBayinstituted this method of selling, most of the 
> bids would come in at the end, but then again many eBay auctionssee 
> a flurry of activity at the end.  If I bid, say $200 (whether on 
> eBay or a live auction) and the next bidder came in at $201, chances 
> are I would consider bidding $202 (or higher) depending upon how bad 
> I wanted that item.  Attimes, it would be nice to have a second (or 
> third) chance at something.....on eBay that is.
> Lee 
> Rexrode
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From klinger at modex.com  Wed Feb 17 16:26:44 2010
From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:26:44 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Research Grants 2010 -- Deadline Reminder
Message-ID: <8F8064BDD2814CF88B7E0E1587245AD7@WEKDesktop>

The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click
on the link or e-mail address below.

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The ARSC Research Grants Program supports scholarship and publication in the
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From ger55 at comcast.net  Wed Feb 17 17:20:18 2010
From: ger55 at comcast.net (ger)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:20:18 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
References: <20100217.163925.4316.2.msprinzen@juno.com>
Message-ID: <654540C4BC934CF9903E0886D1A1B769@GER1>

Hi,
I missed the first part of this discussion...I admit I don't have time to read everything here in detail. 
However, on the point of online or ebay bidding. Check out bidz.com (jewelry, etc. auction). They have a system whereby if anyone puts in a bid in the last 15 seconds, the auction is extended another 15 seconds. One MUST be present in order to get a "deal," which is what I'm sure we're mostly looking for. If not present one could lose a great item for literally a single buck. Yet...if 2 people really want something I've seen the bidding go nuts in a matter of a few minutes...hysteria?? And if one has a limit, obviously they won't be able to compete, or even want to.

As far as putting your "max" in, it will not necessarily work...it's risky. I've seen some items on bidz go waaaaay over what is normally bid (they often have repeats). I suspect that sometimes there is malicious or ignorant bidding which can get the price into the stratosphere. Theoretically, if one really wants something, one could bid a million dollars and assume that it will come to rest at a "real" value before that amount. ;)

I think the bidz system works quite well for buyers. HOWEVER, lately they have put reserves on almost everything...which to me says that things are not going great for them. On the other hand, they do offer "second chances," either to the high bidder, or sometimes to any bidder listed on it when there is a reserve. 

Auction Bidding, in general, is an interesting topic! :) I personally would not use bidding software. Just as I would not use it in a real-life auction. I need to be present for the end. And, BTW, for a real-life auction, it pays to be there early-on, to see what the crowd is like, what the temperament is, who is bidding heavily, at what time in the auction your item of interest will appear (early? late when everyone is either tired or spent out??).

I feel that ebay has not "adapted" adequately! I rarely frequent the site, although I had been a regular seller/buyer way back when. To be a seller now, one MUST accept electronic payment...something I don't trust as a seller...particularly since the feedback system is now one-sided. There are as many sneaky buyer tricks as there are seller's (tricks). :)

Ger




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Merle Sprinzen 
  To: phono-l at oldcrank.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 6:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sniping software


  But if you were willing to pay more than $200 if there was a bit higher,
  then you should put that higher bid into the snipe program.  If you put
  the truly highest price you're willing to pay into the program you'll
  never lose on an item you were willing to pay more for.

  On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:25:53 -0500 "s.l. rexrode"
  <seymorepots at hotmail.com> writes:
  > 
  > Sniping is common practice because I feel eBay has set things up 
  > this way.  Years ago, I suggestedto eBay that they conduct their 
  > auctions more like real life auctions.  This could easily be done if 
  > eBay wouldextend an auction 5 minutes if any bid came in during the 
  > last 5 minutes of an auction (or "x" number of minutes).This would 
  > simulate real auctions by the common practice of the 
  > "going...going....gone" method of selling.Bidders could still bid up 
  > to their maximum and I feel the seller would get the best price this 
  > way.  Perhaps if eBayinstituted this method of selling, most of the 
  > bids would come in at the end, but then again many eBay auctionssee 
  > a flurry of activity at the end.  If I bid, say $200 (whether on 
  > eBay or a live auction) and the next bidder came in at $201, chances 
  > are I would consider bidding $202 (or higher) depending upon how bad 
  > I wanted that item.  Attimes, it would be nice to have a second (or 
  > third) chance at something.....on eBay that is.
  > Lee 
  > Rexrode
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From dan at old-phonographs.com  Wed Feb 17 17:45:45 2010
From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:45:45 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Sniping software
In-Reply-To: <20100217.163925.4316.2.msprinzen@juno.com>
References: <20100217.163925.4316.2.msprinzen@juno.com>
Message-ID: <0EE3E6BA615A46A7B188D54CDC76F802@OWNERPC>

I think if eBay were to remove the word Auction from anything they put out 
the issue might go away. It is really an online store, not an online 
auction. Auctions don't come with Buy it Now and fixed end times. So, 
perhaps they should just change everything to snipe bidding or just have 
people post things for sale. It would remove the pretense of an auction from 
the equation.

Dan

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Merle Sprinzen" <msprinzen at juno.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:35 PM
To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Sniping software

> But if you were willing to pay more than $200 if there was a bit higher,
> then you should put that higher bid into the snipe program.  If you put
> the truly highest price you're willing to pay into the program you'll
> never lose on an item you were willing to pay more for.
>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:25:53 -0500 "s.l. rexrode"
> <seymorepots at hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>> Sniping is common practice because I feel eBay has set things up
>> this way.  Years ago, I suggestedto eBay that they conduct their
>> auctions more like real life auctions.  This could easily be done if
>> eBay wouldextend an auction 5 minutes if any bid came in during the
>> last 5 minutes of an auction (or "x" number of minutes).This would
>> simulate real auctions by the common practice of the
>> "going...going....gone" method of selling.Bidders could still bid up
>> to their maximum and I feel the seller would get the best price this
>> way.  Perhaps if eBayinstituted this method of selling, most of the
>> bids would come in at the end, but then again many eBay auctionssee
>> a flurry of activity at the end.  If I bid, say $200 (whether on
>> eBay or a live auction) and the next bidder came in at $201, chances
>> are I would consider bidding $202 (or higher) depending upon how bad
>> I wanted that item.  Attimes, it would be nice to have a second (or
>> third) chance at something.....on eBay that is.
>> Lee
>> Rexrode
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From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Fri Feb 19 15:40:54 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:40:54 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Tungsten needle questions
References: <SNT106-W33D5A167F0D51B57D72E78C8490@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3772D79AB29F456293682432EA7F5820@gbhpa1514n>

Hi Mark,

    I make my own tungsten needles.  Your observations are pretty much the 
same as my own.  The original Victor Tungstones were made from wire that 
measures about 0.0065 inch or 6.5 mils in diameter.  Today, that wire size 
is marketed as "7 mil".  Yes, I've made needles with this size wire and they 
work OK when used with acoustic reproducers tracking at around 140 grams 
such as the Victor orthophonic (#5) and the Columbia VivaTonal #15.  Even 
though the wire is really too large to accurately fit inside the groove, the 
extra width that forms shoulders on the edges of the wire gets ground down 
reliably due to the heavy tracking force.  But when used in lighter force 
reproducers such as the Victor Exhibition or #2, the tracking force is 
sufficiently lower (80 to 100 grams) that the needles tend to rattle and 
distort because the shoulders of the wire are not being ground off reliably. 
So, I tend to prefer the "6 mil" wire (actually about 5.5 mil) as it fits 
the groove better and can be used with these lighter tracking force 
applications.  But you are correct in noting that the 6 mil is noticeably 
more inclined to bending than the 7 mil.  I'm sure that Victor used the 7 
mil wire because of this very need for robustness.  I've also tried "5 mil" 
diameter (actually around 4.5 mil), but that is just too flimsy to be 
useable in anything tracking at more than about 40 grams or so.

    I don't know if the annealing process is the same as that used in the 
original Tungstones.  But I've obtained tungsten wire from several sources, 
including SmallParts, and it all behaves about the same way.  So I'm 
guessing that annealed wire is probably the only kind that is sold.

    As I commented on the Talking Machine Forum recently, HOW you cut the 
wire has a LOT to do with how long it lasts as a needle.  As the tungsten is 
hammered and drawn into the fine wire shape, it's structure becomes that of 
elongated crystalline threads.  If you cut the wire by nipping with 
conventional wire nippers (diagonal cutters), you smash the crystal threads 
at the cut which significantly reduces their strength.  The proper way to 
cut tungsten wire would be to grind it, then snap it.  That is very hard to 
do with wire this fine, but you can probably use a Dremel tool with a cutoff 
grinding disc.  The next best method is to SHEAR the wire.  This does not 
smash the crystal threads nearly as much as nipping the wire.  If you have 
experienced variable playback longevity with your needles, this may be the 
reason:  the wires with the frayed crystals will break and fray quickly 
which reduces the needle life.  The problem with shearing this wire is that 
you really need a shear made with VERY hard blades as you are cutting 
tungsten which is the hardest metallic element.  Using a shear with tungsten 
carbide blades would be the most practical solution.  Using an ordinary pair 
of shears with hardened steel blades works, but the blades will be nicked 
and banged up pretty quickly.  That's what I've been doing, but I'm aware 
that I'm abusing my shears.  Oh well, it's all for a good cause.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mark french" <mf101723 at msn.com>
To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:58 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Tungsten needle questions


>
> I was looking at a thread from last year that included talking about some 
> collectors making
> their own tungsten needles ("Victor vs. Columbia big guns").  I've been 
> making my own needles too for use in my Victrola 10-50, the big acoustic 
> machine with the auto changer.
>
> I wanted to bounce off what I'm using to everybody and see if I am ok with 
> what I'm using...
> maybe not ideal, but at the least, ok.  I'm using .006" wire from 
> SmallParts.com, it comes in
> straight 5-foot long pieces.  However, in the specs on the website, it 
> says 'Temper -
> Annealed'.
>
>  There was a mention about annealed wire being too weak for use as needle 
> tips.
>  I have been using my needles for many months now, and as long as I make 
> sure I don't
> go overboard with the length of the tungsten tip, I am not having 
> significant problems with
> the wire tips being too weak.  Since they have thinner wire than the 
> factory "Tonofone"
> needles I have, which I measured at .007", I make sure that my .006" tips 
> are somewhat
> shorter than those.  There is also the factor that since I can make as 
> many of these as I
> want for only about 2 cents each, I can afford to make the tips as short 
> as I want.
>  I mean I don't need them to last 50-100 records like a Tungstone - just 
> enough to be able
> to play 2 or 3 or 4 12-record stacks.
>
> Anyway - comments/suggestions?  Would annealed vs. not really make a 
> significant difference
> in strength in this application?  Smallparts was the only place I could 
> find to buy a small
> amount of this size wire.  I compromised with .006" wire, since .007" is 
> too big and .005 was
> the next size available and it just won't take the weight.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark French
>
>
>
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From lherault at bu.edu  Sun Feb 21 13:17:32 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:17:32 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Blue Amberols wanted
Message-ID: <003e01cab33b$486fcf90$d94f6eb0$@edu>

Hi Gang,

A friend is looking for 30-40 blue amberol cylinders.  They need not be
playable but should look good and should be in decent complete boxes. They
don't have to match titles on record and box.  Since they are not intended
for play, they could contain anything.  If the plaster is in bad shape, no
problem as long as the cylinder has not split or warped badly.  Anyone got a
bunch of "useless" Blue Amberols they would like to dispose of?  He needs
them in under two weeks. Please take it off list to discuss price.

Thanks,

Ron L



From mf101723 at msn.com  Sun Feb 21 16:20:35 2010
From: mf101723 at msn.com (mark french)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:20:35 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Tungsten needle questions
Message-ID: <SNT106-W50BB761A972174D86F4C7BC8430@phx.gbl>


I have been using steel scissors, they are a pair of fingernail scissors and I can't believe they
 actually work but so far they work the best.  The wire just snaps clean and doesn't seem to
 be crushed.  I bought a pair of new carbide cutters but they must be junk, because all they
 do is mash the wire and won't even cut it.  I am going to hunt up some *real* cutters that
 do the job right though.  As for the SmallParts wire, what I got seems very consistent.  On my micrometer the 6 mil comes out to exactly 6 mil, and the brand name Tonofones as well as
the SP 7 mil are exactly 7 mil.  I do not know what company produced Tonofone needles (?)

As for prepping the tips, what I settled on was to take a big chunk of a broken record, and
 holding the needle firmly in two fingers and the chunk in the other hand I simply stroke the
 tip back and forth in the grooves,
 rotating the needle a little and randomly as I go.  I'm pressing the needle in a lot harder than
 it would be while playing but not nearly hard enough to bend/damage it.  Yes it's murder on
 the record grooves but it is just a hunk of a broken record anyway.  As you progress you can
 feel the friction gradually disappear and the tip eventually glides in the grooves.  It's cool to
 look at the tip afterwards - while rotating it I can see that the tip is mirror shiny all the way
 around.  Only takes maybe 20-30 seconds to do one.  I still break in a needle with the usual
 playing on an old record, but now only for about 10 seconds since it is already polished.
  Thanks much for the additional info, Greg.

Mark
 		 	   		  

From drboruff at aol.com  Mon Feb 22 19:00:29 2010
From: drboruff at aol.com (drboruff at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:00:29 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Columbia Disc Phono
Message-ID: <8CC824B7D82349B-4864-A920@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>


All,

A very unusual horn type Columbia disc phono (missing tone arm, horn, and horn support) sold quickly on ebay yesterday.  The case is similiar in style to a BY, but the horn support appears to mount directly on top of the cabinet rather than a back mount.  I assume this is a very late style horn type phono, and likely very hard to find.   Is anyone familiar with this model?  Item # is 140385405594.  Congratulations to the buyer. 

Regards,
David Boruff





From bruce78rpm at comcast.net  Mon Feb 22 19:37:21 2010
From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 03:37:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Columbia Disc Phono
In-Reply-To: <8CC824B7D82349B-4864-A920@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <2013782272.6563221266896241965.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

It appears to be the Improved Imperial or BY, and has the exact dimensions 17" by 17" as that graphophone, but as you say, it has that area to the rear of the turntable that looks like it is for the mounting directly on top of the cabinet. Perhaps a rare unknown example of a different BY type, that was unknown to Columbia researchers until this one just appeared on ebay. The description shown in the Columbia Phonograph Companion Volume II gives no reference to this type of oddity existing on any BY's issued. The improved Imperial sold for $65.00 when introduced in 1909. 

Bruce 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: drboruff at aol.com 
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:00:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Columbia Disc Phono 


All, 

A very unusual horn type Columbia disc phono (missing tone arm, horn, and horn support) sold quickly on ebay yesterday. The case is similiar in style to a BY, but the horn support appears to mount directly on top of the cabinet rather than a back mount. I assume this is a very late style horn type phono, and likely very hard to find. Is anyone familiar with this model? Item # is 140385405594. Congratulations to the buyer. 

Regards, 
David Boruff 




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From rvuill at comcast.net  Tue Feb 23 04:43:57 2010
From: rvuill at comcast.net (Bob)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:43:57 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Columbia Disc Phono
References: <2013782272.6563221266896241965.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1C843A68011B4D098903A2D0568EF729@HPPC>

The motor on that machine looks exactly like one used in a lateer Columbia 
console, Ca 1915 to 1920.  I doubt that it is original to that case.
RMV
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bruce78rpm at comcast.net>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Unusual Columbia Disc Phono


> It appears to be the Improved Imperial or BY, and has the exact dimensions 
> 17" by 17" as that graphophone, but as you say, it has that area to the 
> rear of the turntable that looks like it is for the mounting directly on 
> top of the cabinet. Perhaps a rare unknown example of a different BY type, 
> that was unknown to Columbia researchers until this one just appeared on 
> ebay. The description shown in the Columbia Phonograph Companion Volume II 
> gives no reference to this type of oddity existing on any BY's issued. The 
> improved Imperial sold for $65.00 when introduced in 1909.
>
> Bruce
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: drboruff at aol.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:00:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Columbia Disc Phono
>
>
> All,
>
> A very unusual horn type Columbia disc phono (missing tone arm, horn, and 
> horn support) sold quickly on ebay yesterday. The case is similiar in 
> style to a BY, but the horn support appears to mount directly on top of 
> the cabinet rather than a back mount. I assume this is a very late style 
> horn type phono, and likely very hard to find. Is anyone familiar with 
> this model? Item # is 140385405594. Congratulations to the buyer.
>
> Regards,
> David Boruff
>
>
>
>
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From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 23 08:57:44 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:57:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Columbia Disc Phono
In-Reply-To: <8CC824B7D82349B-4864-A920@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC824B7D82349B-4864-A920@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <97038.12092.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dave,
I agree with you. In the Columbia companion Vol. 2, there is a picture of a Model 60H. There is also a picture of the 60H in the first compendium book. It too, has the same motorboard/bedplate mounted on top of the case. These motorboards are from a standard Grafonola. According to the book, this style came out in 1915 and used Grafonola tone arms. I wish the owner the best of luck completing this machine. It is a rare find.
Harvey Kravitz


________________________________
From: "drboruff at aol.com" <drboruff at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 7:00:29 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Unusual Columbia Disc Phono


All,

A very unusual horn type Columbia disc phono (missing tone arm, horn, and horn support) sold quickly on ebay yesterday.  The case is similiar in style to a BY, but the horn support appears to mount directly on top of the cabinet rather than a back mount.  I assume this is a very late style horn type phono, and likely very hard to find.   Is anyone familiar with this model?  Item # is 140385405594.  Congratulations to the buyer. 

Regards,
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From tomj33 at msn.com  Tue Feb 23 13:29:11 2010
From: tomj33 at msn.com (Tom Jordan)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:29:11 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Wood finishes
References: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl>
	<806423.79395.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP9982833691C61DBC345282D9420@phx.gbl>

Let me start me saying that this is a bit off of topic (I apologize in
advance), but I need some advice from the experts. 

I am rebuilding and refinishing the case on an old machine for a friend.
Some of the wood is dry rotted and can't be salvaged.  It will be a mix of
original pieces and new replacements.

The old finish was done in a way where the striations in the oak are very
dark compared to the rest of the wood.  I have heard that this was done by
tenting the wood with ammonia to obtain those results.  That sounds a bit
out there to me, but wondered if any of you have heard of this or know of a
safer and less dangerous method of obtaining those results?
Thanks,
Tom




From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Tue Feb 23 13:50:45 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:50:45 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Wood finishes
References: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl><806423.79395.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP9982833691C61DBC345282D9420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EF49627D80C841BC9B187E195B4EF6A6@gbhpa1514n>

    Many of the early oak finishes were done by using a very dark wood grain 
filler prior to putting on the shellac or lacquer final coating.  This made 
the grain stand out more and is different from later techniques where a 
clear filler is commonly used such as untinted shellac.  The "fumed oak" 
finish was, indeed, accomplished by exposing the wood to a vapor cloud of 
ammonia for a period of time.  This produced a uniformly dark finish on the 
wood rather than just making the grain stand out dark.  You probably want to 
experiment with a dark filler.  If the cabinet is from the teens or earlier, 
the final finish was probably shellac, usually orange shellac which will 
produce a golden oak finish.  Cabinets in the late 1920s and later began 
using lacquer rather than shellac.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Jordan" <tomj33 at msn.com>
To: "'Tom Jordan'" <tomj33 at msn.com>; "'Antique Phonograph List'" 
<phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:29 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Wood finishes


> Let me start me saying that this is a bit off of topic (I apologize in
> advance), but I need some advice from the experts.
>
> I am rebuilding and refinishing the case on an old machine for a friend.
> Some of the wood is dry rotted and can't be salvaged.  It will be a mix of
> original pieces and new replacements.
>
> The old finish was done in a way where the striations in the oak are very
> dark compared to the rest of the wood.  I have heard that this was done by
> tenting the wood with ammonia to obtain those results.  That sounds a bit
> out there to me, but wondered if any of you have heard of this or know of 
> a
> safer and less dangerous method of obtaining those results?
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Tue Feb 23 15:22:59 2010
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:22:59 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Wood finishes
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP9982833691C61DBC345282D9420@phx.gbl>
References: <880504.63705.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>	<BLU0-SMTP1004E195D5281AD7DAEA2E8D9530@phx.gbl>	<806423.79395.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP9982833691C61DBC345282D9420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B846353.90501@octoxol.com>

This is how the originals were finished on the higher end finishes. 
That would include the majority of the phonographs.


The oak refinish technique is as follows:

1)  make a thin stain with the yellow ochre paste and apply to raw 
unsealed wood.  The idea is to get a
little to soak into the wood.  The label recommends using mineral 
spirits as a thinner.  My inclination
is to use turpentine as I like the smell and when it no longer smells 
the finish is totally dry.

2) 1 or 2 coats of very thin lemon yellow dewaxed shellac to seal surface.

3) fill wood pores with paste filler.  Use some kind of patching or 
casting plaster like plaster of paris or
modern equivalent (I use Art Plaster) and Burnt Umber artists oil paint 
to color.  Mix with a little
thinner (turpentine) and a dash of boiled linseed oil to make the paste 
filler.  Should be real dark
brown, almost black.  Apply as per normal procedures.  Let dry thoroughly.

4) sand through the leftover filler on the surface and through the seal 
coats as usual.  Should look
slightly yellow with filled pores looking dark brown to almost black.

5) 1 or 2 light coats of the dewaxed Lemon Yellow shellac

6) add Naptha to a little Asphaltum to get it thinned down to the 
consistency of almost water and still
looking black in the container.  You will not need a lot. Then wipe on 
the surface to get a even coat.
Be careful of corners and crevices.  Set aside to dry.  The naptha will 
vaporize and then the
asphaltum will dry, takes a couple of days.

7) should have a color of a brown green glaze on top of the light yellow 
wood resulting in a deep looking
finish without any real surface yellow or orange.

8) finish the surface with any of the various shellacs to give the final 
shade.  A couple of coats should
do it.

Seed lac
Kusmi Seed lac
Ksumi Buttons
Button lac
Garnet
Orange
Lemon Yellow
Almost Blonde
Super Blonde
Platina

Pick the one that will give you the shade you want to match.  If it is a 
complete re do I would go for the
button lac and let the wax sink and work off of the top of the jar.  I 
like to use more coats of a lighter
cut as it flows out better and makes an easier job of it.

The purpose of the asphaltum glaze is to tone down the yellow and darken 
the filler.  After glazing you
should be real close to the right density of color only the shade needs 
to be tuned up with the final
coats.  The end result should look like the antique honey oak that is so 
hard to reproduce with the
antique depth of color.  This will reproduce the depth and make a good 
shot at the patina.  Coal ash
(well sifted) can be used to rub out the finish and it will look quite 
original.  Hard wood ash will not
work as well.  Hard coal is what is required.

Most important to remember that this is a production finishing technique 
not a precision task.  If you
go find an original Edison grille you can see the filler and asphaltum 
still in the as applied condition
on the edges and back.  They only finished the side you can see.  There 
was minimal effort expended
in wiping excess filler and glaze off of the edges and back.  Basically 
they got the lumps off, most of
them.


Tom Jordan wrote:
> Let me start me saying that this is a bit off of topic (I apologize in
> advance), but I need some advice from the experts. 
> 
> I am rebuilding and refinishing the case on an old machine for a friend.
> Some of the wood is dry rotted and can't be salvaged.  It will be a mix of
> original pieces and new replacements.
> 
> The old finish was done in a way where the striations in the oak are very
> dark compared to the rest of the wood.  I have heard that this was done by
> tenting the wood with ammonia to obtain those results.  That sounds a bit
> out there to me, but wondered if any of you have heard of this or know of a
> safer and less dangerous method of obtaining those results?
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> 
> 

From Tubanuts at aol.com  Tue Feb 23 19:34:21 2010
From: Tubanuts at aol.com (Tubanuts at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:34:21 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola question on fit.
Message-ID: <1fc7d.48eaab19.38b5f83d@aol.com>

I've just won what I hope is a restorable mechanism with mounts and a real  
tough horn for an amberola 75.
 
I know the 50 and 75 cabinets were larger than the 30, but wondered if the  
30 mounts and horn were used would the 75 works fit in the 30 cabinet.  
 
There is a kind of tough 30 cabinet and horn on the bay now but if it will  
fit could still keep looking for a better cabinet.  I think chances of  
finding a good 30 box is better than finding any 50 box.
 
 

From antqflea at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 23 22:04:45 2010
From: antqflea at yahoo.com (brice paris)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:04:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
Message-ID: <426372.15312.qm@web112509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Loren? Please list the following message:

Phonograph Greatings from Southern Oregon? :? I am looking for a two piece VTLA tone arm bracket.? Will trade or pay a fair price for one.?? I also have an outstanding quartersawn oak bombay sided puritan that I am willing to part with , will will sell or trade for a mint original maghony Puritan.? 
I am also getting ready to have my normal spring clearance pre Union sale of some pretty nice machines.? I will be offering for sale , Magh VTLA and or? L dr 16, early Magh 14, vic 5, vic 3, spider leg 10, vic O, Edison maroon and balck gem, firesides, standards, homes and triumphs, large fancy wicker upright (the best I have ever seen), and maybe an magh Opera, victrola XX, and a fat victrola 16 Vernie martin, to name a few.? If you have an interest or can help with the VTLA part , please contact me off list at? 541 690 8695 or email me at paris_brice at yahoo.com.? Thanks and happy collecting.? brice 

ps I will be traveling to Union from Southern Oregon in june and can deliver or bring?any of these items free , or can haul things to or from? Union or any place?in between for maybe a tank of fuel or ? Please let me know if I can help out.??? Thanks ??


      

From lherault at bu.edu  Wed Feb 24 06:12:57 2010
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:12:57 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <426372.15312.qm@web112509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <426372.15312.qm@web112509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003901cab55b$77057c20$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>

Who or what is Magh?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of brice paris
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:05 AM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff

Loren? Please list the following message:

Phonograph Greatings from Southern Oregon? :? I am looking for a two piece
VTLA tone arm bracket.? Will trade or pay a fair price for one.?? I also
have an outstanding quartersawn oak bombay sided puritan that I am willing
to part with , will will sell or trade for a mint original maghony Puritan.?

I am also getting ready to have my normal spring clearance pre Union sale of
some pretty nice machines.? I will be offering for sale , Magh VTLA and or?
L dr 16, early Magh 14, vic 5, vic 3, spider leg 10, vic O, Edison maroon
and balck gem, firesides, standards, homes and triumphs, large fancy wicker
upright (the best I have ever seen), and maybe an magh Opera, victrola XX,
and a fat victrola 16 Vernie martin, to name a few.? If you have an interest
or can help with the VTLA part , please contact me off list at? 541 690 8695
or email me at paris_brice at yahoo.com.? Thanks and happy collecting.? brice 

ps I will be traveling to Union from Southern Oregon in june and can deliver
or bring?any of these items free , or can haul things to or from? Union or
any place?in between for maybe a tank of fuel or ? Please let me know if I
can help out.??? Thanks ??


      
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From ddazer at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 24 07:40:36 2010
From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net (David Dazer)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:40:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <003901cab55b$77057c20$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <302769.89944.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think it is a type of wood. Mahogany.
Dave

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:


From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 9:12 AM


Who or what is Magh?

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of brice paris
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:05 AM
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff

Loren? Please list the following message:

Phonograph Greatings from Southern Oregon? :? I am looking for a two piece
VTLA tone arm bracket.? Will trade or pay a fair price for one.?? I also
have an outstanding quartersawn oak bombay sided puritan that I am willing
to part with , will will sell or trade for a mint original maghony Puritan.?

I am also getting ready to have my normal spring clearance pre Union sale of
some pretty nice machines.? I will be offering for sale , Magh VTLA and or?
L dr 16, early Magh 14, vic 5, vic 3, spider leg 10, vic O, Edison maroon
and balck gem, firesides, standards, homes and triumphs, large fancy wicker
upright (the best I have ever seen), and maybe an magh Opera, victrola XX,
and a fat victrola 16 Vernie martin, to name a few.? If you have an interest
or can help with the VTLA part , please contact me off list at? 541 690 8695
or email me at paris_brice at yahoo.com.? Thanks and happy collecting.? brice 

ps I will be traveling to Union from Southern Oregon in june and can deliver
or bring?any of these items free , or can haul things to or from? Union or
any place?in between for maybe a tank of fuel or ? Please let me know if I
can help out.??? Thanks ??


? ? ? 
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From maxbud12 at wowway.com  Wed Feb 24 08:26:30 2010
From: maxbud12 at wowway.com (Bruce Mercer)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:26:30 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
References: <426372.15312.qm@web112509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<003901cab55b$77057c20$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <3A16BA9EBBE5472480969F759CDB22FA@Vaio>

Magh is the misspelled abbreviation of mahogany, that would be my guess.



Who or what is Magh?

Ron L



From dan at old-phonographs.com  Wed Feb 24 08:48:31 2010
From: dan at old-phonographs.com (Daniel Melvin)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:48:31 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <003901cab55b$77057c20$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
References: <426372.15312.qm@web112509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<003901cab55b$77057c20$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <d14f697b1002240848k7c7eb3b5kd5b140f2b06fffbd@mail.gmail.com>

Mahagony...

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:

> Who or what is Magh?
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
> On
> Behalf Of brice paris
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:05 AM
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
>
> Loren  Please list the following message:
>
> Phonograph Greatings from Southern Oregon  :  I am looking for a two piece
> VTLA tone arm bracket.  Will trade or pay a fair price for one.   I also
> have an outstanding quartersawn oak bombay sided puritan that I am willing
> to part with , will will sell or trade for a mint original maghony
> Puritan.
>
> I am also getting ready to have my normal spring clearance pre Union sale
> of
> some pretty nice machines.  I will be offering for sale , Magh VTLA and or
> L dr 16, early Magh 14, vic 5, vic 3, spider leg 10, vic O, Edison maroon
> and balck gem, firesides, standards, homes and triumphs, large fancy wicker
> upright (the best I have ever seen), and maybe an magh Opera, victrola XX,
> and a fat victrola 16 Vernie martin, to name a few.  If you have an
> interest
> or can help with the VTLA part , please contact me off list at  541 690
> 8695
> or email me at paris_brice at yahoo.com.  Thanks and happy collecting.  brice
>
> ps I will be traveling to Union from Southern Oregon in june and can
> deliver
> or bring any of these items free , or can haul things to or from  Union or
> any place in between for maybe a tank of fuel or ? Please let me know if I
> can help out.    Thanks
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>

From smstitt at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 09:26:11 2010
From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:26:11 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Oak Puritan and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <3A16BA9EBBE5472480969F759CDB22FA@Vaio>
References: <426372.15312.qm@web112509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<003901cab55b$77057c20$5bd6299b@ad.bu.edu>
	<3A16BA9EBBE5472480969F759CDB22FA@Vaio>
Message-ID: <7e8e90ff1002240926y25f0bd4cl188affbf7c7cf74f@mail.gmail.com>

Oh please, been around a long time. Will maho work better? LOL
Or is that something you put on your sandwich?
Mike
Oldcranky.
BTW, I read thru' it and didn't even stumble at the abbreviation. I had to
go back and look for it....

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Bruce Mercer <maxbud12 at wowway.com> wrote:

> Magh is the misspelled abbreviation of mahogany, that would be my guess.
>
>
>
>
> Who or what is Magh?
>
> Ron L
>
>
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>

From steve_noreen at msn.com  Wed Feb 24 10:34:24 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:34:24 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola question on fit.
In-Reply-To: <1fc7d.48eaab19.38b5f83d@aol.com>
References: <1fc7d.48eaab19.38b5f83d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W51B61CC7C8D2186DAFD412F6410@phx.gbl>


You can put a 50 motor in a 30 box. The only issue you will have is the spring that holds the horn up, it is in a different place for the 30 and the 50.  The later metal motorboards are made universal so you can put the double spring or the single spring on then and the two spots for the brass hook that hold the spring that supports the horn are drilled and tapped.  

 

The son of the original owner of a 30 had me replace his broken metal motorboard.  I took a 50 bedplate and installed it with two springs and relocated the hook.  I swapped out the ID plates which were both on the motor board and after I was finished the only way you could tell was the second spring barrel.

 

Steve
 
> From: Tubanuts at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:34:21 -0500
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola question on fit.
> 
> I've just won what I hope is a restorable mechanism with mounts and a real 
> tough horn for an amberola 75.
> 
> I know the 50 and 75 cabinets were larger than the 30, but wondered if the 
> 30 mounts and horn were used would the 75 works fit in the 30 cabinet. 
> 
> There is a kind of tough 30 cabinet and horn on the bay now but if it will 
> fit could still keep looking for a better cabinet. I think chances of 
> finding a good 30 box is better than finding any 50 box.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
 		 	   		  

From TUBADON40 at aol.com  Wed Feb 24 13:12:51 2010
From: TUBADON40 at aol.com (TUBADON40 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:12:51 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Amberola question on fit.
Message-ID: <372e6.4d6d6136.38b6f053@aol.com>

Wonderful news.  Thanks Steve.  I will wait until I actually get  the 
mechanism here to look for a cabinet.
I know the mandrel is in sad plating shape. 
 
Don

From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 25 16:04:57 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:04:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Electrically Cut Edison DD's
Message-ID: <785522.78007.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi fellow collectors,
Does anyone know what series numbers Edison used for his electrically cut DD's? A good friend of mine bought an Edisonic Schubert  in Portland last week. If anyone has any electrically cut DD's for sale, let me know, and I will pass it on to him.
Harvey Kravitz



      

From gbogantz1 at charter.net  Thu Feb 25 16:34:48 2010
From: gbogantz1 at charter.net (Greg Bogantz)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:34:48 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Electrically Cut Edison DD's
References: <785522.78007.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7F3D61CDCDC44C5F9EAA1C607BBC2E75@gbhpa1514n>

    The popular series of DDs above record number 52088 are electrically 
recorded.  This is why the "52000 series" is so much in demand and commands 
much higher prices than the earlier record numbers.  Electrical recording 
was also done on some of the other series, starting with numbers 57025, 
59305, 60063, 80885, and 82351.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "harvey kravitz" <harveykravitz at yahoo.com>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Electrically Cut Edison DD's


> Hi fellow collectors,
> Does anyone know what series numbers Edison used for his electrically cut 
> DD's? A good friend of mine bought an Edisonic Schubert  in Portland last 
> week. If anyone has any electrically cut DD's for sale, let me know, and I 
> will pass it on to him.
> Harvey Kravitz
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 


From steve_noreen at msn.com  Thu Feb 25 16:44:52 2010
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Electrically Cut Edison DD's
In-Reply-To: <785522.78007.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <785522.78007.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W64FF2EB97409444648FB2CF63F0@phx.gbl>


Finnish:  59305-59306
Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078  60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical 
matrix.
German: 57025-57034
52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series
80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series
82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series
Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series. 		 	   		  

From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 25 16:46:28 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:46:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Electrically Cut Edison DD's
In-Reply-To: <7F3D61CDCDC44C5F9EAA1C607BBC2E75@gbhpa1514n>
References: <785522.78007.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<7F3D61CDCDC44C5F9EAA1C607BBC2E75@gbhpa1514n>
Message-ID: <937874.32042.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Greg,
Thanks for the help. I'll pass that on to my friend.
All the best, 
Harvey





________________________________
From: Greg Bogantz <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 4:34:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electrically Cut Edison DD's

   The popular series of DDs above record number 52088 are electrically recorded.  This is why the "52000 series" is so much in demand and commands much higher prices than the earlier record numbers.  Electrical recording was also done on some of the other series, starting with numbers 57025, 59305, 60063, 80885, and 82351.

Greg Bogantz



----- Original Message ----- From: "harvey kravitz" <harveykravitz at yahoo.com>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Electrically Cut Edison DD's


> Hi fellow collectors,
> Does anyone know what series numbers Edison used for his electrically cut DD's? A good friend of mine bought an Edisonic Schubert  in Portland last week. If anyone has any electrically cut DD's for sale, let me know, and I will pass it on to him.
> Harvey Kravitz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 

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From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 26 09:15:46 2010
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:15:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Electrically Cut Edison DD's
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W64FF2EB97409444648FB2CF63F0@phx.gbl>
References: <785522.78007.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<COL118-W64FF2EB97409444648FB2CF63F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <841972.22912.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Steve,
Thanks for your help.
Harvey




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From: Steven Medved <steve_noreen at msn.com>
To: Phono-l <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 4:44:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electrically Cut Edison DD's


Finnish:  59305-59306
Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078  60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical 
matrix.
German: 57025-57034
52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series
80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series
82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series
Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series.                           
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From wilenzick at bellsouth.net  Fri Feb 26 12:58:30 2010
From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a "hunting horn" for European phonograph
Message-ID: <F8BFB193088747F6A97D383FB949F1D3@WilenzickPC>

Does anyone have for sale or trade a European-style "hunting horn", the type that curves around and faces the back of the machine, either nickeled brass or aluminum?  Does not have to be perfect.  Thanks for any off-list replies.

Ray Wilenzick 
wilenzick at bellsouth.net
 

From marioaf at optusnet.com.au  Sun Feb 28 01:02:15 2010
From: marioaf at optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:02:15 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted: Floating Reproducer - Graphophone B Eagle
Message-ID: <4B8A3117.2030503@optusnet.com.au>

Hi folks,

Hope all are well. I'm chasing an Original reproducer (in good playing 
condition) to suit a model B Graphophone cylinder phonograph.

If you have a spare and it is available for sale please email me at 
marioaf at optusnet.com.au

Warm Regards,

Mario

www.PhonographsAndGramophones.com




From deedeeblais at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 27 21:59:13 2010
From: deedeeblais at yahoo.com (DeeDee Blais)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:59:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Golden Oak Sonora Baby Grand For Sale
Message-ID: <817799.33771.qm@web113813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

A good friend here in Albany, Oregon is selling his golden oak Sonora Baby Grand for $500.  Delivery is possible to Union or ???  I'm happy to send photos.  Please email jerry.blais at yahoo.com or call 541-990-0781.  Delivery is possible to Union.  Thanks, Jerry


      

From john9ten at pacbell.net  Sun Feb 28 02:02:57 2010
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:02:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc cabinet arts needed
Message-ID: <294179.31839.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all
Does anone have a pair of hinges or hinge pins for an Edison C-250/C-19 phonograph? I am selling one for a friend and the hinge pins are missing.
All help appreciated!
Thank you
John Robles

From victrola at triton.net  Sun Feb 28 06:40:15 2010
From: victrola at triton.net (George)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:40:15 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc cabinet arts needed
References: <294179.31839.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <74909C10CDB240B6B747E14CF3A6E49A@VALUEDCB7D4C82>

Yep, contact me off list please John
George
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: john robles 
  To: phono-l at oldcrank.org 
  Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:02 AM
  Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc cabinet arts needed


  Hello all
  Does anone have a pair of hinges or hinge pins for an Edison C-250/C-19 phonograph? I am selling one for a friend and the hinge pins are missing.
  All help appreciated!
  Thank you
  John Robles
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