From mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com  Sun Nov  1 15:27:29 2009
From: mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com (Michael F. Khanchalian)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:27:29 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia napkin cuff "fair" cylinders
References: <c09.6e27d10a.381c0220@aol.com><992567.16908.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><92AF6D8BF27D47A49AA5F500F276547A@ronlherault>
	<874787.31183.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D87735228C1481FB856CD7C8F73595E@michael>

Greetings friends,

I'm doing a bit of research...so jumping out of lurking mode a moment to ask 
if anyone remembers where the hobby article was in the last few years about 
the little 1 1/2 inch long Columbia cylinders which fair attendees could 
record their voices on for souvenirs of various world's fairs....
I think they were available in 1899. 1900, 1901, 1905 etc.

I mean...I'm pretty up on them but........I know I saw a good article in the 
last few years, but I sure can't find it in  "In The Groove" or "Sound Box". 
Could it be in the CLPGS publication?

Thanks kindly,

Michael Khanchalian  (cyl doc)





From gpaul2000 at aol.com  Sun Nov  1 19:37:49 2009
From: gpaul2000 at aol.com (gpaul2000 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:37:49 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia napkin cuff "fair" cylinders
In-Reply-To: <8D87735228C1481FB856CD7C8F73595E@michael>
References: <c09.6e27d10a.381c0220@aol.com><992567.16908.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><92AF6D8BF27D47A49AA5F500F276547A@ronlherault><874787.31183.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8D87735228C1481FB856CD7C8F73595E@michael>
Message-ID: <8CC2984FBFA7B57-9F54-3B332@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com>


 Mike,

I thought for sure that article was in The Sound Box, but you're right - - it isn't there.  Rene wrote the article; perhaps you should contact him about its location.  I'm stumped.

George P.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael F. Khanchalian <mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia napkin cuff "fair" cylinders









Greetings friends, 
 

I'm doing a bit of research...so jumping out of lurking mode a moment to ask 
if anyone remembers where the hobby article was in the last few years about 
the little 1 1/2 inch long Columbia cylinders which fair attendees could 
record their voices on for souvenirs of various world's fairs.... 

I think they were available in 1899. 1900, 1901, 1905 etc. 
 

I mean...I'm pretty up on them but........I know I saw a good article in the 
last few years, but I sure can't find it in  "In The Groove" or "Sound Box". 
Could it be in the CLPGS publication? 
 

Thanks kindly, 
 

Michael Khanchalian  (cyl doc) 
 

 


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From mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com  Sun Nov  1 20:01:41 2009
From: mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com (Michael F. Khanchalian)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:01:41 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia napkin cuff "fair" cylinders
In-Reply-To: <8CC2984FBFA7B57-9F54-3B332@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c09.6e27d10a.381c0220@aol.com><992567.16908.qm@web83713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><92AF6D8BF27D47A49AA5F500F276547A@ronlherault><874787.31183.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8D87735228C1481FB856CD7C8F73595E@michael>
	<8CC2984FBFA7B57-9F54-3B332@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C5A297E-6057-45D1-963D-D26B4E10B517@altrionet.com>

Hi George,

Thanks for your reply. It's good to hear from you.

Rod Pickett sent me an off line e-mail an hour ago and found the  
article in "In The Groove" but way back in July '02.

Can time be going by that fast? It seems like It had just arrived in  
the mail 2 years ago max. Guess we're showing our age!

Have a great week George,

Michael


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2009, at 7:37 PM, gpaul2000 at aol.com wrote:

>
> Mike,
>
> I thought for sure that article was in The Sound Box, but you're  
> right - - it isn't there.  Rene wrote the article; perhaps you  
> should contact him about its location.  I'm stumped.
>
> George P.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael F. Khanchalian <mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 6:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia napkin cuff "fair" cylinders
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Greetings friends,
>
>
> I'm doing a bit of research...so jumping out of lurking mode a  
> moment to ask
> if anyone remembers where the hobby article was in the last few  
> years about
> the little 1 1/2 inch long Columbia cylinders which fair attendees  
> could
> record their voices on for souvenirs of various world's fairs....
>
> I think they were available in 1899. 1900, 1901, 1905 etc.
>
>
> I mean...I'm pretty up on them but........I know I saw a good  
> article in the
> last few years, but I sure can't find it in  "In The Groove" or  
> "Sound Box".
> Could it be in the CLPGS publication?
>
>
> Thanks kindly,
>
>
> Michael Khanchalian  (cyl doc)
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Phono-L mailing list
>
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
>
>
>
>
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From Kuglarb at wmconnect.com  Mon Nov  2 15:10:39 2009
From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com (Kuglarb at wmconnect.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:10:39 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
Message-ID: <c12.6613756f.3820c0ef@wmconnect.com>

Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book?  Any 
help very much appreciated.  Thanks.

Brantley

From AllenAmet at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 16:00:00 2009
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:00:00 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
Message-ID: <bc1.5d95c954.3820cc80@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/2/2009 6:33:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Kuglarb at wmconnect.com writes:

Hi -  Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book (by Fred 
 barnum)?  Any help very much appreciated.   Thanks.



--------------
We used to sell this limited-edition title, but it is now out of print  and 
very expensive. It's a beautiful book though.
 
Allen
 _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) 
 

From markelynch at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  2 17:05:11 2009
From: markelynch at earthlink.net (Mark Lynch)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:05:11 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
Message-ID: <380-2200911231511171@earthlink.net>

There were several copies at the Wayne Show, I agree Allen it is a lovely
book. 
Check with Charlie Hummel and Charlie Martin. 


> [Original Message]
> From: <AllenAmet at aol.com>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 11/2/2009 7:05:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
>
>  
> In a message dated 11/2/2009 6:33:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> Kuglarb at wmconnect.com writes:
>
> Hi -  Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book (by
Fred 
>  barnum)?  Any help very much appreciated.   Thanks.
>
>
>
> --------------
> We used to sell this limited-edition title, but it is now out of print 
and 
> very expensive. It's a beautiful book though.
>  
> Allen
>  _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) 
>  
> _______________________________________________
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Mon Nov  2 17:14:12 2009
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:14:12 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
In-Reply-To: <c12.6613756f.3820c0ef@wmconnect.com>
References: <c12.6613756f.3820c0ef@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W52311C33B0FBF98D996B9CF6B20@phx.gbl>


http://www.bookbutler.com/compare.html?searchFor=0939766167&amountIn=usd&shipTo=us&searchIn=us&zip=



> From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:10:39 -0500
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
> 
> Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book?  Any 
> help very much appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> Brantley
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
 		 	   		  

From maffit2 at bresnan.net  Mon Nov  2 17:57:37 2009
From: maffit2 at bresnan.net (Bob Maffit)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:57:37 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] source for Columbia companion vol 2
Message-ID: <004201ca5c29$06d5a640$1480f2c0$@net>

All:

 

A short while ago, someone listed a link, source, for the out of print book:
Columbia Companion vol. II. This is the one for the disk machines.

 

I would appreciate it if I could get it.

 

Thanks

 

Bob


From chrisk33 at cox.net  Mon Nov  2 18:07:50 2009
From: chrisk33 at cox.net (Chris Kocsis)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:07:50 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] source for Columbia companion vol 2
In-Reply-To: <004201ca5c29$06d5a640$1480f2c0$@net>
References: <004201ca5c29$06d5a640$1480f2c0$@net>
Message-ID: <4AEF9076.8070604@cox.net>

There are three copies here -- all expensive:

http://www.addall.com/SuperRare/RefineExact.fcgi?id=091102180443984607&order=TITLE&ordering=ASC&dispCurr=USD&exaAuthor=Bob+Baumbach&match=Y&exaTitle=Columbia+Phonograph+Companion:+2

If that long URL doesn't work, go to addall.com and search for "columbia 
phonograph companion."  Good luck!

Chris

Bob Maffit wrote:
> All:
>
>  
>
> A short while ago, someone listed a link, source, for the out of print book:
> Columbia Companion vol. II. This is the one for the disk machines.
>
>  
>
> I would appreciate it if I could get it.
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
>  
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
>   

From jimcip at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  2 21:45:02 2009
From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:45:02 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] source for Columbia companion vol 2
Message-ID: <380-2200911235452437@earthlink.net>

I have bought hard-to-find books, not necessarily dealing with antique
phonographs, from the internet "abebooks.com."
                                                                            
                                                                    Jim
Cartwright
                                                                            
                                                                   Immortal
Performances

jimcip at earthlink.net


> [Original Message]
> From: Chris Kocsis <chrisk33 at cox.net>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 02-Nov-2009 8:08:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] source for Columbia companion vol 2
>
> There are three copies here -- all expensive:
>
>
http://www.addall.com/SuperRare/RefineExact.fcgi?id=091102180443984607&order
=TITLE&ordering=ASC&dispCurr=USD&exaAuthor=Bob+Baumbach&match=Y&exaTitle=Col
umbia+Phonograph+Companion:+2
>
> If that long URL doesn't work, go to addall.com and search for "columbia 
> phonograph companion."  Good luck!
>
> Chris
>
> Bob Maffit wrote:
> > All:
> >
> >  
> >
> > A short while ago, someone listed a link, source, for the out of print
book:
> > Columbia Companion vol. II. This is the one for the disk machines.
> >
> >  
> >
> > I would appreciate it if I could get it.
> >
> >  
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >  
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> >   
> _______________________________________________
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> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org



From zonophone2006 at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 03:12:32 2009
From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
In-Reply-To: <c12.6613756f.3820c0ef@wmconnect.com>
References: <c12.6613756f.3820c0ef@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8CC2A8DACAE8E00-16C8-8A58@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>


 hi
follow ebay 
there have been three of them on there in the last year
they seem to go for about 150 now
boy i am glad i got mine when it came out
zono

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:10 pm
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book










Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book?  Any 
help very much appreciated.  Thanks.

Brantley
_______________________________________________
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http://phono-l.oldcrank.org



 


From wilenzick at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  3 08:42:46 2009
From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:42:46 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W52311C33B0FBF98D996B9CF6B20@phx.gbl>
References: <c12.6613756f.3820c0ef@wmconnect.com>
	<COL118-W52311C33B0FBF98D996B9CF6B20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8FDE8754EF2D4E66859F0B46A4B14FA0@WilenzickPC>

Is the book really worth $625 to $900?  One dealer has one for $1,600!!

Ray


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com>
To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book


>
> http://www.bookbutler.com/compare.html?searchFor=0939766167&amountIn=usd&shipTo=us&searchIn=us&zip=
>
>
>
>> From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com
>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:10:39 -0500
>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
>>
>> Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book?  Any
>> help very much appreciated.  Thanks.
>>
>> Brantley
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 


From AllenAmet at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 09:09:56 2009
From: AllenAmet at aol.com (AllenAmet at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:09:56 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] source for Columbia companion vol 2
Message-ID: <c57.6350d6b4.3821bde4@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/2/2009 9:10:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
chrisk33 at cox.net writes:

There  are three copies here -- all  expensive:

http://www.addall.com/SuperRare/RefineExact.fcgi?id=091102180443984607&order
=TITLE&ordering=ASC&dispCurr=USD&exaAuthor=Bob+Baumbach&match=Y&exaTitle=Col
umbia+Phonograph+Companion:+2

If  that long URL doesn't work, go to addall.com and search for "columbia  
phonograph companion." 


---------------
I only saw Volume One (not the sought-for Vol 2) with this URL.
 
allen
 

From phonolist at mac.com  Tue Nov  3 09:27:59 2009
From: phonolist at mac.com (RBaumbach)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:27:59 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] source for Columbia companion vol 2
In-Reply-To: <004201ca5c29$06d5a640$1480f2c0$@net>
References: <004201ca5c29$06d5a640$1480f2c0$@net>
Message-ID: <145119851996577286328354659895428439900-Webmail@me.com>

I still have a few.

http://mulhollandpress.com/Columbia.htm

 
On Monday, November 02, 2009, at 05:57PM, "Bob Maffit" <maffit2 at bresnan.net> wrote:
>All:
>
> 
>
>A short while ago, someone listed a link, source, for the out of print book:
>Columbia Companion vol. II. This is the one for the disk machines.
>
> 
>
>I would appreciate it if I could get it.
>
> 
>
>Thanks
>
> 
>
>Bob
>
>_______________________________________________
>Phono-L mailing list
>http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
>

From john9ten at pacbell.net  Tue Nov  3 09:36:04 2009
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john9ten at pacbell.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:36:04 +0000
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
Message-ID: <974593657-1257269765-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1060861183-@bda493.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

An Amazon dealer has my old CD listed for $95. I sell it for $10. Maybe I am undercutting myself??
John Robles
------Original Message------
From: Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick
Sender: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
To: Antique Phonograph List
ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
Sent: Nov 3, 2009 8:42 AM

Is the book really worth $625 to $900?  One dealer has one for $1,600!!

Ray


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com>
To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book


>
> http://www.bookbutler.com/compare.html?searchFor=0939766167&amountIn=usd&shipTo=us&searchIn=us&zip=
>
>
>
>> From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com
>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:10:39 -0500
>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
>>
>> Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book?  Any
>> help very much appreciated.  Thanks.
>>
>> Brantley
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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From zonophone2006 at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 10:30:39 2009
From: zonophone2006 at aol.com (zonophone2006 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
In-Reply-To: <8FDE8754EF2D4E66859F0B46A4B14FA0@WilenzickPC>
References: <c12.6613756f.3820c0ef@wmconnect.com><COL118-W52311C33B0FBF98D996B9CF6B20@phx.gbl>
	<8FDE8754EF2D4E66859F0B46A4B14FA0@WilenzickPC>
Message-ID: <8CC2ACAE09B5C80-1134-13E80@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com>


 hi
the book was only about 40 new
at shows and on ebay i have seen it for about 150

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick <wilenzick at bellsouth.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book









Is the book really worth $625 to $900?  One dealer has one for $1,600!! 
 

Ray 
 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com> 

To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> 

Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:14 PM 

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book 
 


> 

> http://www.bookbutler.com/compare.html?searchFor=0939766167&amountIn=usd&shipTo=us&searchIn=us&zip= 

> 

> 

> 

>> From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com 

>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:10:39 -0500 

>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org 

>> Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book 

>> 

>> Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book?  Any 

>> help very much appreciated.  Thanks. 

>> 

>> Brantley 

>> _______________________________________________ 

>> Phono-L mailing list 

>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 

> 

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=

From rich-mail at octoxol.com  Tue Nov  3 11:18:04 2009
From: rich-mail at octoxol.com (Rich)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:18:04 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
In-Reply-To: <8FDE8754EF2D4E66859F0B46A4B14FA0@WilenzickPC>
References: <c12.6613756f.3820c0ef@wmconnect.com>	<COL118-W52311C33B0FBF98D996B9CF6B20@phx.gbl>
	<8FDE8754EF2D4E66859F0B46A4B14FA0@WilenzickPC>
Message-ID: <4AF081EC.7090909@octoxol.com>

Try searching for your book here: 
http://www.dealoz.com/index.pl?cat=book&lang=en-us&search_country=us 
Usually much cheaper than the "rare" book dealers.

Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick wrote:
> Is the book really worth $625 to $900?  One dealer has one for $1,600!!
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com>
> To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
> 
> 
>>
>> http://www.bookbutler.com/compare.html?searchFor=0939766167&amountIn=usd&shipTo=us&searchIn=us&zip= 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:10:39 -0500
>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
>>> Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book
>>>
>>> Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of this book?  Any
>>> help very much appreciated.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Brantley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Phono-L mailing list
>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Phono-L mailing list
>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 

From majesticrecord at snet.net  Tue Nov  3 17:33:46 2009
From: majesticrecord at snet.net (Glenn Longwell)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:33:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for Elginola Phonograph Info
In-Reply-To: <E61A9F9A8F9E4163848BD668A8FFBDA4@ronlherault>
Message-ID: <124752.30801.qm@web83701.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have another vertical?oddity to ask about.? I just came into possession of 12 8" Elginola disks.? These are 8" vertical cut?Operaphones with the Elginola Talking Machine label pasted over.? The question is whether anyone has any information about this company in terms of catalogs or any of their phonographs.?They were incorporated in 1916 with the purpose of making phonographs.?I may?have seen?ads in Talking Machine World trade mag but can't remember?so I'll have to go back to investigate that.?They were out of Milwaukee, WI.? Any show up out there in the midwest?
?
Thanks,
Glenn

From maffit2 at bresnan.net  Tue Nov  3 19:52:18 2009
From: maffit2 at bresnan.net (Bob Maffit)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:52:18 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] source for Columbia companion vol 2
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All:

WOW!  Thanks for the over whelming support. I obtained one from Robert.

Later

Bob

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I still have a few.

http://mulhollandpress.com/Columbia.htm

 
On Monday, November 02, 2009, at 05:57PM, "Bob Maffit" <maffit2 at bresnan.net>
wrote:
>All:
>
> 
>
>A short while ago, someone listed a link, source, for the out of print
book:
>Columbia Companion vol. II. This is the one for the disk machines.
>
> 
>
>I would appreciate it if I could get it.
>
> 
>
>Thanks
>
> 
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>Bob
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From artempo42 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  3 20:11:40 2009
From: artempo42 at sbcglobal.net (jerry f bacon)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:11:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Values..........
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I am afraid to buy anything in this day and age.......I have a Victor two door credenza that is # 532 and has the correct all brass sound box that I was hoping to get 900.00 for, one possible taker in Arizona but that may be Christmas, who knows.
Jerry F Bacon
Dallas,Texas

From bowlngn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  4 16:26:11 2009
From: bowlngn at yahoo.com (Stephen Madara)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:26:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book ( For Sale )
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I have an unread copy still in original mailing box with original cover letter in excellent condition.  I am asking 350.00 + shipping double boxed.  Thank you,  Stephen Madara     bowlngn at earthlink dot net  bowlngn at earthlink.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kuglarb at wmconnect.com
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> Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:10 pm
> Subject: [Phono-L] Looking For The Fred Barnum Book

> Hi - Does anyone have or know when I can find a copy of
> this book?? Any 
> help very much appreciated.? Thanks.
> 
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From bandso at charter.net  Fri Nov  6 06:59:44 2009
From: bandso at charter.net (Shawn and Beth)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 6:59:44 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] FALL CLEAN OUT SALE!!!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1255588219.294.phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Message-ID: <20091106095944.AHHVI.3008918.root@mp05>

Folks, 

It?s time to generate some action on the for sale board of this forum.  Please find several items available that I?ve had in my collection for some time.  It?s time for them to move on.  All item prices are plus shipping and insurance.  I?ll handle the packing.  Pictures are available, just ask!

If you have questions, don?t hesitate to ask me at Bandso at charter.net
Shawn O?Rourke

Edison Union Number 1 Phonograph Reproducer Arm Reproducer
If you want to play 78?s on your Edison Diamond Disk machine, this is an absolutely vital attachment.  As well, it is pretty special, incorporating a volume control into the arm itself.  This feature recently discussed on one of the phonograph boards.  It is quite uncommon to find in a 78 attachment. Together, this is a Union No. 1 Arm along with the correct Union Reproducer.  This would be perfect for an early A or B series Edison Diamond Disk that came without the horn sound baffle. 
For condition, it is excellent. The nickel is bright on the arm.  It functions as it should, with a position for playing, and a catch that holds the reproducer above the record when at rest.   The reproducer is complete and loud.  The thumb screw works well and the diaphragm is strong.  The sound control, a very rare addition, retains its original felt. Price: $150

Edison Let Us Not Forget White Label Diamond Disk
Here we have an excellent copy of the only publically released record with Edison?s voice.  ?Let Us Not Forget? is a Message to the American People and was recorded after the end of World War I by Thomas Alva Edison. It was first time that Edison permitted his voice to be recorded for the public. In his message he praises the allied forces. He suggests that all Americans should remember the National Airs (melodies) of it's war-time allies. And in fact, National Airs of the Allies is on the reverse of this record.  

This record plays without issue and is in the much more desirable and harder to find white label copy. It comes with a reproduction of the original sleeve and a heavy green protective sleeve made for Diamond Disks.  Price: $150.00

Edison Let Us Not Forget Blue Amberol
Here we have an excellent copy of the cylinder version of the only publically released record with Edison?s voice.  ?Let Us Not Forget? is a Message to the American People and was recorded after the end of World War I by Thomas Alva Edison. It was first time that Edison permitted his voice to be recorded for the public. In his message he praises the allied forces. He suggests that all Americans should remember the National Airs (melodies) of it's war-time allies. 

This record plays without issue and is the first version, originally released without the Star Spangled Banner.  This record comes in the original box, with the original lid. Price: $225.00

Holiday Greetings from the Bunch at Orange
Here we have an excellent copy of a Diamond Disk record that is pretty hard to find. This record was manufactured and issued only once, in the fall of 1924.  It was sent only to Edison dealers and jobbers, as an audio Christmas Card. It was never made available to the public.
On this record, managers of the Phonograph Division each recorded a brief message of Holiday wishes, and other messages of surprising candor and optimistic good cheer. 
This record plays without issue and is in near mint condition. It comes with a reproduction of the original sleeve and a heavy green protective sleeve made for Diamond Disks.  Price: $475.00

14" black and brass horn
This is an original 14inch black and brass horn correct for an early Edison or Columbia machine. It has been well cared for over the years and not messed with at all.  It retains the original paint and patina on the horn. The diameter of the bell is 7". The horn is in very good condition with minimal dings.  It has a PAT APL'D FOR stamped in the body of the horn. The brass bell has a wonderful patina, and the paint on the body is in better than decent condition.  Overall it should clean up nicely. Price: $100.00 

10 inch cone horn
This is an original 10inch cone horn.  It as commonly found on Edison Gem, Columbia Eagles, and Columbia Q machines.  It can be used on others. It has been well cared for over the years and not messed with at all.  It retains the original paint and gold pen striping. The horn is in very good condition with minimal dings and dents.  Overall, this is a really nice and somewhat hard to find original horn.  Price: $150.00 	

Edison 2 Minute Records ? Nice!!
So finally, we have some very nice 2 Minute records.  Each of them play without any skips, repeats or other problems. None of them are cracked.  All come in an original Edison 2 minute box. They are a super nice grouping of records.   I have listed them below by number and title.  The picture shows them all. 
If you want a more detailed description of any record(s) just drop me a note!
They are $15.00 each.  If you want them all, let?s talk. 
1515	Home Sweet Home Band
7666	San Toy Selections	Ossman
7857	Plantation Melodies	Edison Male Quar
7997	Woa Bill	Edison Male Quar
8127	Overture to Barber of Seville	Edison Concert Band
8248	U.S. Army Lancers 2nd Figure	Peerless Quartette
8584	Dixie Girl	Edison Concert Band
8715	Listen to the Mocking Bird	Duet
8877	Tales From The Vienna Woods Waltz	Orchestra
8894	Thoroughbred	Band
8921	Glow Worm	Orchestra
9119	The Musical Yankee	Vaudeville
9192	The Jolly Blacksmith	Quartette
9290	Charge of the Hussiers	Band
9381	General Mixup	Band
9450	The Bird on Aunt Nellie's Hat	Comic Song
9506	Gambrius Polka	Band
9612	He Goes to Church on Sunday	Comic Song
9622	Redwing	Song and Chorus
9749	The Crack Regiment Patrol	Orchestra
9753	The Girls of America March	Xylophone
9871	The Whistling and Singing Farmer Boys	Duet
10186	Little Willie	Premier Quartet
10201	I Love My Wife, but Oh You Kid	Favor
10287	I Wonder Who's Kissing Her Now	Romain
10389	Ogalalla	Murray and Chorus
10409	The Hoosier Slide	Band
12877	Cock Of the North	Band (Really that is the title)
13886	Missoorie March	National Military Band
13757	That?s Why I Noo Wear a Kilt Harry Lauder


From andersun at tampabay.rr.com  Fri Nov  6 07:56:28 2009
From: andersun at tampabay.rr.com (Steve Andersen)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:56:28 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] FALL CLEAN OUT SALE!!!
In-Reply-To: <20091106095944.AHHVI.3008918.root@mp05>
References: <20091106095944.AHHVI.3008918.root@mp05>
Message-ID: <9E4DB452-DB49-4B8B-947F-A20D7D26FE5C@tampabay.rr.com>

Shawn,

I am interested in the 14 inch horn. You have pics?

andersun at tampabay.rr.com

Steve
On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Shawn and Beth wrote:

> Folks,
>
> It?s time to generate some action on the for sale board of this  
> forum.  Please find several items available that I?ve had in my  
> collection for some time.  It?s time for them to move on.  All item  
> prices are plus shipping and insurance.  I?ll handle the packing.   
> Pictures are available, just ask!
>
> If you have questions, don?t hesitate to ask me at Bandso at charter.net
> Shawn O?Rourke
>
> Edison Union Number 1 Phonograph Reproducer Arm Reproducer
> If you want to play 78?s on your Edison Diamond Disk machine, this  
> is an absolutely vital attachment.  As well, it is pretty special,  
> incorporating a volume control into the arm itself.  This feature  
> recently discussed on one of the phonograph boards.  It is quite  
> uncommon to find in a 78 attachment. Together, this is a Union No. 1  
> Arm along with the correct Union Reproducer.  This would be perfect  
> for an early A or B series Edison Diamond Disk that came without the  
> horn sound baffle.
> For condition, it is excellent. The nickel is bright on the arm.  It  
> functions as it should, with a position for playing, and a catch  
> that holds the reproducer above the record when at rest.   The  
> reproducer is complete and loud.  The thumb screw works well and the  
> diaphragm is strong.  The sound control, a very rare addition,  
> retains its original felt. Price: $150
>
> Edison Let Us Not Forget White Label Diamond Disk
> Here we have an excellent copy of the only publically released  
> record with Edison?s voice.  ?Let Us Not Forget? is a Message to the  
> American People and was recorded after the end of World War I by  
> Thomas Alva Edison. It was first time that Edison permitted his  
> voice to be recorded for the public. In his message he praises the  
> allied forces. He suggests that all Americans should remember the  
> National Airs (melodies) of it's war-time allies. And in fact,  
> National Airs of the Allies is on the reverse of this record.
>
> This record plays without issue and is in the much more desirable  
> and harder to find white label copy. It comes with a reproduction of  
> the original sleeve and a heavy green protective sleeve made for  
> Diamond Disks.  Price: $150.00
>
> Edison Let Us Not Forget Blue Amberol
> Here we have an excellent copy of the cylinder version of the only  
> publically released record with Edison?s voice.  ?Let Us Not Forget?  
> is a Message to the American People and was recorded after the end  
> of World War I by Thomas Alva Edison. It was first time that Edison  
> permitted his voice to be recorded for the public. In his message he  
> praises the allied forces. He suggests that all Americans should  
> remember the National Airs (melodies) of it's war-time allies.
>
> This record plays without issue and is the first version, originally  
> released without the Star Spangled Banner.  This record comes in the  
> original box, with the original lid. Price: $225.00
>
> Holiday Greetings from the Bunch at Orange
> Here we have an excellent copy of a Diamond Disk record that is  
> pretty hard to find. This record was manufactured and issued only  
> once, in the fall of 1924.  It was sent only to Edison dealers and  
> jobbers, as an audio Christmas Card. It was never made available to  
> the public.
> On this record, managers of the Phonograph Division each recorded a  
> brief message of Holiday wishes, and other messages of surprising  
> candor and optimistic good cheer.
> This record plays without issue and is in near mint condition. It  
> comes with a reproduction of the original sleeve and a heavy green  
> protective sleeve made for Diamond Disks.  Price: $475.00
>
> 14" black and brass horn
> This is an original 14inch black and brass horn correct for an early  
> Edison or Columbia machine. It has been well cared for over the  
> years and not messed with at all.  It retains the original paint and  
> patina on the horn. The diameter of the bell is 7". The horn is in  
> very good condition with minimal dings.  It has a PAT APL'D FOR  
> stamped in the body of the horn. The brass bell has a wonderful  
> patina, and the paint on the body is in better than decent  
> condition.  Overall it should clean up nicely. Price: $100.00
>
> 10 inch cone horn
> This is an original 10inch cone horn.  It as commonly found on  
> Edison Gem, Columbia Eagles, and Columbia Q machines.  It can be  
> used on others. It has been well cared for over the years and not  
> messed with at all.  It retains the original paint and gold pen  
> striping. The horn is in very good condition with minimal dings and  
> dents.  Overall, this is a really nice and somewhat hard to find  
> original horn.  Price: $150.00 	
>
> Edison 2 Minute Records ? Nice!!
> So finally, we have some very nice 2 Minute records.  Each of them  
> play without any skips, repeats or other problems. None of them are  
> cracked.  All come in an original Edison 2 minute box. They are a  
> super nice grouping of records.   I have listed them below by number  
> and title.  The picture shows them all.
> If you want a more detailed description of any record(s) just drop  
> me a note!
> They are $15.00 each.  If you want them all, let?s talk.
> 1515	Home Sweet Home Band
> 7666	San Toy Selections	Ossman
> 7857	Plantation Melodies	Edison Male Quar
> 7997	Woa Bill	Edison Male Quar
> 8127	Overture to Barber of Seville	Edison Concert Band
> 8248	U.S. Army Lancers 2nd Figure	Peerless Quartette
> 8584	Dixie Girl	Edison Concert Band
> 8715	Listen to the Mocking Bird	Duet
> 8877	Tales From The Vienna Woods Waltz	Orchestra
> 8894	Thoroughbred	Band
> 8921	Glow Worm	Orchestra
> 9119	The Musical Yankee	Vaudeville
> 9192	The Jolly Blacksmith	Quartette
> 9290	Charge of the Hussiers	Band
> 9381	General Mixup	Band
> 9450	The Bird on Aunt Nellie's Hat	Comic Song
> 9506	Gambrius Polka	Band
> 9612	He Goes to Church on Sunday	Comic Song
> 9622	Redwing	Song and Chorus
> 9749	The Crack Regiment Patrol	Orchestra
> 9753	The Girls of America March	Xylophone
> 9871	The Whistling and Singing Farmer Boys	Duet
> 10186	Little Willie	Premier Quartet
> 10201	I Love My Wife, but Oh You Kid	Favor
> 10287	I Wonder Who's Kissing Her Now	Romain
> 10389	Ogalalla	Murray and Chorus
> 10409	The Hoosier Slide	Band
> 12877	Cock Of the North	Band (Really that is the title)
> 13886	Missoorie March	National Military Band
> 13757	That?s Why I Noo Wear a Kilt Harry Lauder
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org


From abefeder1 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 13:21:25 2009
From: abefeder1 at gmail.com (Abe Feder)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:21:25 -0700
Subject: [Phono-L] FALL CLEAN OUT SALE!!!
In-Reply-To: <9E4DB452-DB49-4B8B-947F-A20D7D26FE5C@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <20091106095944.AHHVI.3008918.root@mp05>
	<9E4DB452-DB49-4B8B-947F-A20D7D26FE5C@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4e885f140911061321x54ed0725m2bd137a2ff36acd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Shawn,
I am interested in the Edison Reproducer and arm -Pics please-thx Abe
abefeder1 at gmail.com

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Steve Andersen <andersun at tampabay.rr.com>wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> I am interested in the 14 inch horn. You have pics?
>
> andersun at tampabay.rr.com
>
> Steve
>
> On Nov 6, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Shawn and Beth wrote:
>
> Folks,
>>
>> It?s time to generate some action on the for sale board of this forum.
>>  Please find several items available that I?ve had in my collection for some
>> time.  It?s time for them to move on.  All item prices are plus shipping and
>> insurance.  I?ll handle the packing.  Pictures are available, just ask!
>>
>> If you have questions, don?t hesitate to ask me at Bandso at charter.net
>> Shawn O?Rourke
>>
>> Edison Union Number 1 Phonograph Reproducer Arm Reproducer
>> If you want to play 78?s on your Edison Diamond Disk machine, this is an
>> absolutely vital attachment.  As well, it is pretty special, incorporating a
>> volume control into the arm itself.  This feature recently discussed on one
>> of the phonograph boards.  It is quite uncommon to find in a 78 attachment.
>> Together, this is a Union No. 1 Arm along with the correct Union Reproducer.
>>  This would be perfect for an early A or B series Edison Diamond Disk that
>> came without the horn sound baffle.
>> For condition, it is excellent. The nickel is bright on the arm.  It
>> functions as it should, with a position for playing, and a catch that holds
>> the reproducer above the record when at rest.   The reproducer is complete
>> and loud.  The thumb screw works well and the diaphragm is strong.  The
>> sound control, a very rare addition, retains its original felt. Price: $150
>>
>> Edison Let Us Not Forget White Label Diamond Disk
>> Here we have an excellent copy of the only publically released record with
>> Edison?s voice.  ?Let Us Not Forget? is a Message to the American People and
>> was recorded after the end of World War I by Thomas Alva Edison. It was
>> first time that Edison permitted his voice to be recorded for the public. In
>> his message he praises the allied forces. He suggests that all Americans
>> should remember the National Airs (melodies) of it's war-time allies. And in
>> fact, National Airs of the Allies is on the reverse of this record.
>>
>> This record plays without issue and is in the much more desirable and
>> harder to find white label copy. It comes with a reproduction of the
>> original sleeve and a heavy green protective sleeve made for Diamond Disks.
>>  Price: $150.00
>>
>> Edison Let Us Not Forget Blue Amberol
>> Here we have an excellent copy of the cylinder version of the only
>> publically released record with Edison?s voice.  ?Let Us Not Forget? is a
>> Message to the American People and was recorded after the end of World War I
>> by Thomas Alva Edison. It was first time that Edison permitted his voice to
>> be recorded for the public. In his message he praises the allied forces. He
>> suggests that all Americans should remember the National Airs (melodies) of
>> it's war-time allies.
>>
>> This record plays without issue and is the first version, originally
>> released without the Star Spangled Banner.  This record comes in the
>> original box, with the original lid. Price: $225.00
>>
>> Holiday Greetings from the Bunch at Orange
>> Here we have an excellent copy of a Diamond Disk record that is pretty
>> hard to find. This record was manufactured and issued only once, in the fall
>> of 1924.  It was sent only to Edison dealers and jobbers, as an audio
>> Christmas Card. It was never made available to the public.
>> On this record, managers of the Phonograph Division each recorded a brief
>> message of Holiday wishes, and other messages of surprising candor and
>> optimistic good cheer.
>> This record plays without issue and is in near mint condition. It comes
>> with a reproduction of the original sleeve and a heavy green protective
>> sleeve made for Diamond Disks.  Price: $475.00
>>
>> 14" black and brass horn
>> This is an original 14inch black and brass horn correct for an early
>> Edison or Columbia machine. It has been well cared for over the years and
>> not messed with at all.  It retains the original paint and patina on the
>> horn. The diameter of the bell is 7". The horn is in very good condition
>> with minimal dings.  It has a PAT APL'D FOR stamped in the body of the horn.
>> The brass bell has a wonderful patina, and the paint on the body is in
>> better than decent condition.  Overall it should clean up nicely. Price:
>> $100.00
>>
>> 10 inch cone horn
>> This is an original 10inch cone horn.  It as commonly found on Edison Gem,
>> Columbia Eagles, and Columbia Q machines.  It can be used on others. It has
>> been well cared for over the years and not messed with at all.  It retains
>> the original paint and gold pen striping. The horn is in very good condition
>> with minimal dings and dents.  Overall, this is a really nice and somewhat
>> hard to find original horn.  Price: $150.00
>>
>> Edison 2 Minute Records ? Nice!!
>> So finally, we have some very nice 2 Minute records.  Each of them play
>> without any skips, repeats or other problems. None of them are cracked.  All
>> come in an original Edison 2 minute box. They are a super nice grouping of
>> records.   I have listed them below by number and title.  The picture shows
>> them all.
>> If you want a more detailed description of any record(s) just drop me a
>> note!
>> They are $15.00 each.  If you want them all, let?s talk.
>> 1515    Home Sweet Home Band
>> 7666    San Toy Selections      Ossman
>> 7857    Plantation Melodies     Edison Male Quar
>> 7997    Woa Bill        Edison Male Quar
>> 8127    Overture to Barber of Seville   Edison Concert Band
>> 8248    U.S. Army Lancers 2nd Figure    Peerless Quartette
>> 8584    Dixie Girl      Edison Concert Band
>> 8715    Listen to the Mocking Bird      Duet
>> 8877    Tales From The Vienna Woods Waltz       Orchestra
>> 8894    Thoroughbred    Band
>> 8921    Glow Worm       Orchestra
>> 9119    The Musical Yankee      Vaudeville
>> 9192    The Jolly Blacksmith    Quartette
>> 9290    Charge of the Hussiers  Band
>> 9381    General Mixup   Band
>> 9450    The Bird on Aunt Nellie's Hat   Comic Song
>> 9506    Gambrius Polka  Band
>> 9612    He Goes to Church on Sunday     Comic Song
>> 9622    Redwing Song and Chorus
>> 9749    The Crack Regiment Patrol       Orchestra
>> 9753    The Girls of America March      Xylophone
>> 9871    The Whistling and Singing Farmer Boys   Duet
>> 10186   Little Willie   Premier Quartet
>> 10201   I Love My Wife, but Oh You Kid  Favor
>> 10287   I Wonder Who's Kissing Her Now  Romain
>> 10389   Ogalalla        Murray and Chorus
>> 10409   The Hoosier Slide       Band
>> 12877   Cock Of the North       Band (Really that is the title)
>> 13886   Missoorie March National Military Band
>> 13757   That?s Why I Noo Wear a Kilt Harry Lauder
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>>
>
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From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  7 14:06:53 2009
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:06:53 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
Message-ID: <410-22009116722653468@earthlink.net>

That's Paul Edie.He lives near my place, in Troy, Mich. Unfortunately, Paul
doesn't publish his data base. It would be interesting to know how many of
the Vic 18 phonos have survived. There seems to be quite a few,
fortunately. 


> [Original Message]
> From: Charlotte Mager <wavesllc at gmail.com>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 10/22/2009 7:33:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
>
> There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by
going
> to http://www.victor-victrola.com
>
> Charlotte aka Waves
> http://www.wavesllc.com
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston
<cdh041 at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
> > Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a
buildup
> > of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by my
> > mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as were
> > many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top
> > surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first
time
> > ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black "finish" on
the
> > top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was exposed.
> >
> > At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to remove
> > grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further and
> > flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some areas,
the
> > finish is as new.
> >
> > I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these
phonographs.
> > I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and were
> > consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special
> > treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One
> > interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area has
a
> > XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the
> > crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank.
> >
> > My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial
> > number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A
few
> > years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it
had an
> > aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and the
> > one for auction, Victor changed name plates.
> >
> > At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together, checking
> > everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the
Go-Jo
> > treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never seen
a
> > cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it going. I
> > also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite.
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Andrew Baron <andy at popyrus.com>
> > > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > > Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > >
> > > Thanks, Douglas.  Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this visitor
> > > in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will
> > > soon regain its.
> > >
> > > I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step.  The black
> > > residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the
> > > finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've had my  VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to
> > > > realize just
> > > > what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price,
> > > > regardless of
> > > > condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One
> > > > spring was
> > > > broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over with
> > > > Go-Jo
> > > > made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> [Original Message]
> > > >> From: Mobility Scooters <mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz>
> > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > > >> Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > >>
> > > >> Andy
> > > >> Great story!
> > > >> Well done that is just fantastic and to think of  how many people
> > > >> must of
> > > >> seen it before you did in the afternoon.
> > > >> I would say it was waiting for you.
> > > >> There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for the
> > > >> rest
> > > > of
> > > >> your life. ha ha
> > > >> All the very best
> > > >> Tony
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > >> ]On
> > > >> Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m.
> > > >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > >>
> > > >> Congrats!!!!  Any chance of posting pictures???
> > > >> Ken B.
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > >> ]
> > > > On
> > > >> Behalf Of Andrew Baron
> > > >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM
> > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List
> > > >> Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > >>
> > > >> From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading of
> > > >> some
> > > > of
> > > >> the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a
> > > >> particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph.
> > > >>
> > > >> In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either
more
> > > >> populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in
> > > >> Santa Fe,
> > > > NM.
> > > >> Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty
> > > >> sparsely
> > > >> populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or
> > > >> other work
> > > >> that would draw a larger population.
> > > >>
> > > >> Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs.
> > > >> Add to
> > > > this
> > > >> the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or prioritized
> > > >> for
> > > >> music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few phonographs
> > > >> to
> > > > begin
> > > >> with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range.  Edison
> > > > Standards,
> > > >> Victrola IV's, X's and XI's, and low- end Columbias are inevitably
> > > >> the
> > > >> models that turn up, and usually in none too good a condition if
> > > >> not out
> > > > of
> > > >> a collection.  Naturally some desirable machines were brought here
> > > >> later
> > > > on,
> > > >> but by and large this hasn't amounted to anything significant, and
> > > >> there
> > > >> isn't much of a collecting community here.
> > > >>
> > > >> So opportunities to build a collection are rather limited. That
being
> > > > said,
> > > >> I started collecting in 1974, when I was 12, and my Victor 8-30X,
> > > >> Edison
> > > >> maroon Gem, Edison early A-250 and a Zonophone Grand
> > > >> Opera were all acquired here in Santa Fe, current population
72,000.
> > > >> Not exactly a small town, but outside of Albuquerque, we are
> > > > geographically
> > > >> isolated from the big population centers.  The Zonophone was
> > > >> brought here
> > > >> from New England in the '70s, when its past owner moved here.
> > > >>
> > > >> To the subject at hand:
> > > >> Two days ago, a big local consignment shop was having their annual
> > > >> Fall
> > > >> sale; everything 30% off.  This event draws what seems like half of
> > > >> Santa
> > > >> Fe, and while my wife and I usually attend it, we generally wait
> > > >> until
> > > > late
> > > >> in the day to avoid the pressing crowds.  Anyway, most of what the
> > > >> shop
> > > >> sells is vintage furniture, rugs, artwork, etc., some of it quite
> > > >> nice,
> > > > but
> > > >> rarely anything of particular interest to a phonograph collector,
> > > >> so no
> > > >> penalty for arriving when convenient.
> > > >>
> > > >> We had been browsing around for about a quarter of an hour when the
> > > >> proprietor let me know that there were "a couple of Victrolas" in
> > > >> the next
> > > >> room.  We continued looking around in the part of the store where
we
> > > >> currently were, and after about ten minutes more, I finally said
> > > >> that I'd
> > > >> like to take a look and see what the phonographs were.  We headed
> > > >> casually
> > > >> across the distance, through the crowds of people and things toward
> > > >> the
> > > > next
> > > >> room.  No sooner had I uttered the words "These machines are going
> > > >> to be
> > > >> examples of the most common models, and probably overpriced", than
> > > >> I could
> > > >> see the unmistakable silhouette of Victor XVII or XVIII, just
> > > >> sticking out
> > > >> beyond the wall separating the rooms.
> > > >>
> > > >> Quickening my pace (they were still 20 feet away), I prepared my
> > > >> mind to
> > > > see
> > > >> a Victor XVII, the alternative possibility being somewhat beyond my
> > > >> powers
> > > >> of imagination.  Still, a Victor XVII would be a great find
> > > >> although I
> > > >> already own one (courtesy of a very kind tip from a thoughtful
> > > >> phono-L
> > > >> member, $200, and a 125 mile round-trip to Albuquerque).
> > > >>
> > > >> Coming up alongside the curvy machine, I noticed first that the top
> > > >> curl
> > > > of
> > > >> the rear corner post was mostly missing -- a clean break from
> > > >> bashing the
> > > >> machine into a wall or truck bed, no doubt.  I also noticed the
fine,
> > > >> expressive trim on the cabinet side and the chevron- shaped veneer
> > > >> pattern
> > > >> and practically leapt the last couple of feet so I could see the
> > > >> front of
> > > >> the machine, which left no doubt.
> > > >>
> > > >> There's something unbelievable about finding a top-end machine in
New
> > > >> Mexico, and even though I have the XVII, and was already well aware
> > > >> of the
> > > >> differences, I had to see the VV-XVIII on the ID plate with my own
> > > >> eyes.
> > > >> The 3-digit serial number was also a strange thing to behold on a
New
> > > > Mexico
> > > >> Victrola.  This was a dirty, dusty machine, with some of its edges
> > > >> and
> > > > trim
> > > >> scraped up from careless handling, but at a glance, in generally
> > > >> good and
> > > >> very solid shape except for a few scrapes and that broken-off upper
> > > >> rear
> > > >> corner piece.  Definitely not something out of someone's phonograph
> > > >> collection, and just as you like to find them
> > > >> -- clearly untouched for decades.
> > > >>
> > > >> A quick appraisal of what it had to offer revealed:
> > > >> Original gold V key;
> > > >> Gold needle cup, all original casters, all correct knobs, front and
> > > >> back;
> > > >> Large, gold crank escutcheon detached and screws missing, but still
> > > > sitting
> > > >> on the crank about a half-inch out from the side of the cabinet;
Near
> > > >> perfect felt on the platter; Almost certainly the original gold
> > > >> Exhibition
> > > >> soundbox, Ser. #87347B, never rebuilt; Very, very dirty under the
> > > >> lid and
> > > > in
> > > >> general (what is this greasy, black stuff?); Most of the record
> > > >> storage
> > > > area
> > > >> filled with (non-Victor) matched albums full of classical records,
> > > >> and
> > > >> otherwise stuffed to the gills with sheet music; Missing the lower
> > > >> key
> > > >> escutcheon and motor lift knob (and that maddeningly absent corner
> > > >> curl).
> > > >>
> > > >> Price, $650, minus 30%.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sold!
> > > >>
> > > >> It's home now, and I'm having fun cleaning it up and getting more
> > > > intimately
> > > >> familiar with its exquisite details, and learning why this model is
> > > >> so
> > > >> prized.  It's going to be quite nice, ultimately, with a
respectable
> > > >> original finish, after a many hours of carefully applied elbow
> > > >> grease and
> > > >> the appropriate preparations.  The fancy work and doors on the back
> > > >> with
> > > >> their gold-plated hardware, concealing a nice compartment came as a
> > > > complete
> > > >> surprise.  You never see this view in the books.  The motor is
> > > >> relatively
> > > >> clean (very little of the usual greasy build-up, just a yellowed
> > > >> film of
> > > > old
> > > >> hard residue).  A couple drops of oil in all the pertinent places,
> > > >> and a
> > > >> light coat of fresh
> > > >> grease on the governor worm, and it runs very quietly and evenly.
> > > >> Even the speed indicator works.  The main springs thud something
> > > >> awful
> > > > when
> > > >> winding down though, so I'll treat the motor to a proper tear- down
> > > >> and
> > > >> rebuild when I attend to those noisy springs.
> > > >>
> > > >> Comparing the total production of the spring-motor XVIII to the
> > > >> number of
> > > >> Victrolas produced puts it at something like 0.0004 of the total
> > > >> 1906 - 1929 production, and .0009 of the 1906-1920 production total
> > > >> (Roman
> > > >> numeral model-number era).  This equates to less than one-tenth of
> > > >> one
> > > >> percent of the total production of the early Victrola era, and less
> > > >> than
> > > >> half of that when considering the total Victrola era, if I did my
> > > >> math
> > > >> right.
> > > >>
> > > >> Finally (for those who've had the patience to read this far), the
> > > >> gold-
> > > >> plated motor lift knob was found in the needle cup, and the broken-
> > > >> off
> > > >> upper-rear corner was found otherwise undamaged, in a recess of the
> > > > cabinet.
> > > >> It proved a seamless fit to the fracture surface.  Anyone got a key
> > > >> escutcheon?
> > > >>
> > > >> I hope you've enjoyed this story, still fresh from the event and
> > > > accurately
> > > >> conveyed, and I wish similarly exciting phonograph discoveries for
> > > >> those
> > > > of
> > > >> you who have not yet had the pleasure.
> > > >>
> > > >> Kindest regards,
> > > >> Andy Baron
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From edisonstuff at comcast.net  Mon Nov  9 05:30:28 2009
From: edisonstuff at comcast.net (edisonstuff at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:30:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE
Message-ID: <1749620325.934731257773428319.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



Update on The Johnson Victrola Museum, Dover Delaware. 



For anyone interested, The Johnson Victrola Museum is open only on the First Saturday of the Month hours are 9:00 to 4:30 it's also open by appointment by calling 302-739-4236 to schedule a visit it's great place to?put on your list?with plenty to see & hear as some machines on display?can be demonstrated. 



Regards, Jim G. 



From appywander at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  9 06:32:22 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:32:22 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE
In-Reply-To: <1749620325.934731257773428319.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1749620325.934731257773428319.JavaMail.root@sz0129a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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I suppose they are closed so much because of budget cuts?  I have only been there once in 2001.  They share park rangers with the other two museums adjacent (a native American museum and a local historical museum).  The ranger that gave the tour when I was there was more attuned to the native American museum and gave an incredibly garbled tour of the Johnson museum ("If they have horns they are called Gramophones, if they don't they are called Victrolas", etc.)  I about bit my tongue in two before the tour was finished. I went away without a great deal of deeper insight into ERJ himself.  The phonographs are wonderful, of course, but I really wanted to know more about ERJ as a person, and my visit did little for that.  I think Son Fen had something a bit different in mind as a memorial to his dad.  Even at that, I'm sorry to hear it is only open one day a week.

I wish there could be a 'National Museum of Recorded Sound' endowed in perpetuity and set up as a 501(c)3 to collect, display, and interpret the development of the sound recording industry -- accurately and impressively  -- once and for all.  It would be a research center as well.  In another 100 years, I think future generations would thank us.

> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:30:28 +0000
> From: edisonstuff at comcast.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE
> 
> 
> 
> Update on The Johnson Victrola Museum, Dover Delaware. 
> 
> 
> 
> For anyone interested, The Johnson Victrola Museum is open only on the First Saturday of the Month hours are 9:00 to 4:30 it's also open by appointment by calling 302-739-4236 to schedule a visit it's great place to put on your list with plenty to see & hear as some machines on display can be demonstrated. 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards, Jim G. 
> 
> 
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From john9ten at pacbell.net  Mon Nov  9 07:03:07 2009
From: john9ten at pacbell.net (john robles)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:03:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] For Shawn O'Rourke
Message-ID: <347252.60600.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am such a dunce that I deleted your email after writing down your address, and I didn't write down how much I need to send you. Can you please let me know at john9ten at pacbell.net so I can get your check off today?
Thanks!
John

From darren at ingram.fi  Mon Nov  9 09:43:19 2009
From: darren at ingram.fi (D P Ingram)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:43:19 +0200
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Schools Series cylinders
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Message-ID: <7E9F45AA-B7D6-492D-92FB-8736DBBC9562@ingram.fi>

Does anyone have the ED4BA School Series cylinder(s) for sale...?

Best wishes, Darren Ingram / Musiclibrary.fi






From jimcip at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  9 11:46:35 2009
From: jimcip at earthlink.net (jimcip at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:46:35 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
Message-ID: <380-220091119194635296@earthlink.net>

If anyone is interested in compiling data on them, I have three Victrola
XVIIIs, two windup & one with electric motor, all mahogany, as follows:
VV-XVIII - # 988, VE-XVIII - # 1194 & VV-XVIII - # 1695
                                                                            
                                                                          Ji
m Cartwright
                                                                            
                                                                         Imm
ortal Performances


jimcip at earthlink.net


> [Original Message]
> From: Douglas Houston <cdh041 at earthlink.net>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 07-Nov-2009 4:07:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
>
> That's Paul Edie.He lives near my place, in Troy, Mich. Unfortunately,
Paul
> doesn't publish his data base. It would be interesting to know how many of
> the Vic 18 phonos have survived. There seems to be quite a few,
> fortunately. 
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Charlotte Mager <wavesllc at gmail.com>
> > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Date: 10/22/2009 7:33:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> >
> > There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by
> going
> > to http://www.victor-victrola.com
> >
> > Charlotte aka Waves
> > http://www.wavesllc.com
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston
> <cdh041 at earthlink.net>wrote:
> >
> > > Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a
> buildup
> > > of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought by
my
> > > mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as
were
> > > many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the top
> > > surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the first
> time
> > > ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black "finish" on
> the
> > > top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was
exposed.
> > >
> > > At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to
remove
> > > grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further
and
> > > flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some
areas,
> the
> > > finish is as new.
> > >
> > > I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these
> phonographs.
> > > I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and
were
> > > consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special
> > > treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One
> > > interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area
has
> a
> > > XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over the
> > > crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank.
> > >
> > > My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The serial
> > > number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper one. A
> few
> > > years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it
> had an
> > > aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and
the
> > > one for auction, Victor changed name plates.
> > >
> > > At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together,
checking
> > > everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the
> Go-Jo
> > > treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never
seen
> a
> > > cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it
going. I
> > > also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite.
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Andrew Baron <andy at popyrus.com>
> > > > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > > > Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Douglas.  Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this
visitor
> > > > in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII will
> > > > soon regain its.
> > > >
> > > > I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step.  The black
> > > > residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the
> > > > finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness.
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've had my  VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to
> > > > > realize just
> > > > > what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price,
> > > > > regardless of
> > > > > condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One
> > > > > spring was
> > > > > broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over
with
> > > > > Go-Jo
> > > > > made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> [Original Message]
> > > > >> From: Mobility Scooters <mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz>
> > > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > > > >> Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Andy
> > > > >> Great story!
> > > > >> Well done that is just fantastic and to think of  how many people
> > > > >> must of
> > > > >> seen it before you did in the afternoon.
> > > > >> I would say it was waiting for you.
> > > > >> There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for
the
> > > > >> rest
> > > > > of
> > > > >> your life. ha ha
> > > > >> All the very best
> > > > >> Tony
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > > >> ]On
> > > > >> Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke
> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m.
> > > > >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Congrats!!!!  Any chance of posting pictures???
> > > > >> Ken B.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > > >> ]
> > > > > On
> > > > >> Behalf Of Andrew Baron
> > > > >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM
> > > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List
> > > > >> Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > > >>
> > > > >> From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading
of
> > > > >> some
> > > > > of
> > > > >> the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of a
> > > > >> particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either
> more
> > > > >> populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in
> > > > >> Santa Fe,
> > > > > NM.
> > > > >> Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty
> > > > >> sparsely
> > > > >> populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or
> > > > >> other work
> > > > >> that would draw a larger population.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs.
> > > > >> Add to
> > > > > this
> > > > >> the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or
prioritized
> > > > >> for
> > > > >> music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few
phonographs
> > > > >> to
> > > > > begin
> > > > >> with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range.  Edison
> > > > > Standards,
> > > > >> Victrola IV's, X's and XI's, and low- end Columbias are
inevitably
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> models that turn up, and usually in none too good a condition if
> > > > >> not out
> > > > > of
> > > > >> a collection.  Naturally some desirable machines were brought
here
> > > > >> later
> > > > > on,
> > > > >> but by and large this hasn't amounted to anything significant,
and
> > > > >> there
> > > > >> isn't much of a collecting community here.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So opportunities to build a collection are rather limited. That
> being
> > > > > said,
> > > > >> I started collecting in 1974, when I was 12, and my Victor 8-30X,
> > > > >> Edison
> > > > >> maroon Gem, Edison early A-250 and a Zonophone Grand
> > > > >> Opera were all acquired here in Santa Fe, current population
> 72,000.
> > > > >> Not exactly a small town, but outside of Albuquerque, we are
> > > > > geographically
> > > > >> isolated from the big population centers.  The Zonophone was
> > > > >> brought here
> > > > >> from New England in the '70s, when its past owner moved here.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> To the subject at hand:
> > > > >> Two days ago, a big local consignment shop was having their
annual
> > > > >> Fall
> > > > >> sale; everything 30% off.  This event draws what seems like half
of
> > > > >> Santa
> > > > >> Fe, and while my wife and I usually attend it, we generally wait
> > > > >> until
> > > > > late
> > > > >> in the day to avoid the pressing crowds.  Anyway, most of what
the
> > > > >> shop
> > > > >> sells is vintage furniture, rugs, artwork, etc., some of it quite
> > > > >> nice,
> > > > > but
> > > > >> rarely anything of particular interest to a phonograph collector,
> > > > >> so no
> > > > >> penalty for arriving when convenient.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> We had been browsing around for about a quarter of an hour when
the
> > > > >> proprietor let me know that there were "a couple of Victrolas" in
> > > > >> the next
> > > > >> room.  We continued looking around in the part of the store where
> we
> > > > >> currently were, and after about ten minutes more, I finally said
> > > > >> that I'd
> > > > >> like to take a look and see what the phonographs were.  We headed
> > > > >> casually
> > > > >> across the distance, through the crowds of people and things
toward
> > > > >> the
> > > > > next
> > > > >> room.  No sooner had I uttered the words "These machines are
going
> > > > >> to be
> > > > >> examples of the most common models, and probably overpriced",
than
> > > > >> I could
> > > > >> see the unmistakable silhouette of Victor XVII or XVIII, just
> > > > >> sticking out
> > > > >> beyond the wall separating the rooms.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Quickening my pace (they were still 20 feet away), I prepared my
> > > > >> mind to
> > > > > see
> > > > >> a Victor XVII, the alternative possibility being somewhat beyond
my
> > > > >> powers
> > > > >> of imagination.  Still, a Victor XVII would be a great find
> > > > >> although I
> > > > >> already own one (courtesy of a very kind tip from a thoughtful
> > > > >> phono-L
> > > > >> member, $200, and a 125 mile round-trip to Albuquerque).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Coming up alongside the curvy machine, I noticed first that the
top
> > > > >> curl
> > > > > of
> > > > >> the rear corner post was mostly missing -- a clean break from
> > > > >> bashing the
> > > > >> machine into a wall or truck bed, no doubt.  I also noticed the
> fine,
> > > > >> expressive trim on the cabinet side and the chevron- shaped
veneer
> > > > >> pattern
> > > > >> and practically leapt the last couple of feet so I could see the
> > > > >> front of
> > > > >> the machine, which left no doubt.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There's something unbelievable about finding a top-end machine in
> New
> > > > >> Mexico, and even though I have the XVII, and was already well
aware
> > > > >> of the
> > > > >> differences, I had to see the VV-XVIII on the ID plate with my
own
> > > > >> eyes.
> > > > >> The 3-digit serial number was also a strange thing to behold on a
> New
> > > > > Mexico
> > > > >> Victrola.  This was a dirty, dusty machine, with some of its
edges
> > > > >> and
> > > > > trim
> > > > >> scraped up from careless handling, but at a glance, in generally
> > > > >> good and
> > > > >> very solid shape except for a few scrapes and that broken-off
upper
> > > > >> rear
> > > > >> corner piece.  Definitely not something out of someone's
phonograph
> > > > >> collection, and just as you like to find them
> > > > >> -- clearly untouched for decades.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A quick appraisal of what it had to offer revealed:
> > > > >> Original gold V key;
> > > > >> Gold needle cup, all original casters, all correct knobs, front
and
> > > > >> back;
> > > > >> Large, gold crank escutcheon detached and screws missing, but
still
> > > > > sitting
> > > > >> on the crank about a half-inch out from the side of the cabinet;
> Near
> > > > >> perfect felt on the platter; Almost certainly the original gold
> > > > >> Exhibition
> > > > >> soundbox, Ser. #87347B, never rebuilt; Very, very dirty under the
> > > > >> lid and
> > > > > in
> > > > >> general (what is this greasy, black stuff?); Most of the record
> > > > >> storage
> > > > > area
> > > > >> filled with (non-Victor) matched albums full of classical
records,
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> otherwise stuffed to the gills with sheet music; Missing the
lower
> > > > >> key
> > > > >> escutcheon and motor lift knob (and that maddeningly absent
corner
> > > > >> curl).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Price, $650, minus 30%.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sold!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's home now, and I'm having fun cleaning it up and getting more
> > > > > intimately
> > > > >> familiar with its exquisite details, and learning why this model
is
> > > > >> so
> > > > >> prized.  It's going to be quite nice, ultimately, with a
> respectable
> > > > >> original finish, after a many hours of carefully applied elbow
> > > > >> grease and
> > > > >> the appropriate preparations.  The fancy work and doors on the
back
> > > > >> with
> > > > >> their gold-plated hardware, concealing a nice compartment came
as a
> > > > > complete
> > > > >> surprise.  You never see this view in the books.  The motor is
> > > > >> relatively
> > > > >> clean (very little of the usual greasy build-up, just a yellowed
> > > > >> film of
> > > > > old
> > > > >> hard residue).  A couple drops of oil in all the pertinent
places,
> > > > >> and a
> > > > >> light coat of fresh
> > > > >> grease on the governor worm, and it runs very quietly and evenly.
> > > > >> Even the speed indicator works.  The main springs thud something
> > > > >> awful
> > > > > when
> > > > >> winding down though, so I'll treat the motor to a proper tear-
down
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> rebuild when I attend to those noisy springs.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Comparing the total production of the spring-motor XVIII to the
> > > > >> number of
> > > > >> Victrolas produced puts it at something like 0.0004 of the total
> > > > >> 1906 - 1929 production, and .0009 of the 1906-1920 production
total
> > > > >> (Roman
> > > > >> numeral model-number era).  This equates to less than one-tenth
of
> > > > >> one
> > > > >> percent of the total production of the early Victrola era, and
less
> > > > >> than
> > > > >> half of that when considering the total Victrola era, if I did my
> > > > >> math
> > > > >> right.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Finally (for those who've had the patience to read this far), the
> > > > >> gold-
> > > > >> plated motor lift knob was found in the needle cup, and the
broken-
> > > > >> off
> > > > >> upper-rear corner was found otherwise undamaged, in a recess of
the
> > > > > cabinet.
> > > > >> It proved a seamless fit to the fracture surface.  Anyone got a
key
> > > > >> escutcheon?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I hope you've enjoyed this story, still fresh from the event and
> > > > > accurately
> > > > >> conveyed, and I wish similarly exciting phonograph discoveries
for
> > > > >> those
> > > > > of
> > > > >> you who have not yet had the pleasure.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Kindest regards,
> > > > >> Andy Baron
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From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  9 12:39:47 2009
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:39:47 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
Message-ID: <410-220091119203947562@earthlink.net>

Your best bet is to contact Paul Edie, the owner of the Cictor Victrola
site.He's the guy who's keeping the data on all of the Victor Victrolas
that anyone wants to give him data on. 

Catch him on:  http://www.victor-victrola.com/

Try and have the patent sticker date, as well as rthe serial number of the
Victrola.  It appears that all of the VV-XVIII were identical, only for
cabinet woods, and so on. I have a feeling that the Elecrola variants still
had their serial numbers in the sequence with the other jobs. I'm also
beginning to be (pleasantly) surprised at how many of these great Victrolas
have survived. 


> [Original Message]
> From: jimcip at earthlink.net <jimcip at earthlink.net>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 11/9/2009 2:47:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
>
> If anyone is interested in compiling data on them, I have three Victrola
> XVIIIs, two windup & one with electric motor, all mahogany, as follows:
> VV-XVIII - # 988, VE-XVIII - # 1194 & VV-XVIII - # 1695
>                                                                          

>                                                                          
Ji
> m Cartwright
>                                                                          

>                                                                         
Imm
> ortal Performances
>
>
> jimcip at earthlink.net
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Douglas Houston <cdh041 at earthlink.net>
> > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Date: 07-Nov-2009 4:07:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> >
> > That's Paul Edie.He lives near my place, in Troy, Mich. Unfortunately,
> Paul
> > doesn't publish his data base. It would be interesting to know how many
of
> > the Vic 18 phonos have survived. There seems to be quite a few,
> > fortunately. 
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Charlotte Mager <wavesllc at gmail.com>
> > > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > > Date: 10/22/2009 7:33:17 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > >
> > > There is a fellow keeping a data base of Victors. You can ad yours by
> > going
> > > to http://www.victor-victrola.com
> > >
> > > Charlotte aka Waves
> > > http://www.wavesllc.com
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Houston
> > <cdh041 at earthlink.net>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Of course, I'm not there to see it, but my first guess would be a
> > buildup
> > > > of grime from all those years. The dining room set here was bought
by
> my
> > > > mother in 1925. Our house in Detroit had been heated with coal, as
> were
> > > > many others in those days. On the chairs, on the top crossbar, the
top
> > > > surface was black, and I assumed that it was the finish. For the
first
> > time
> > > > ever, I went over the dining set with Go-Jo, and the black "finish"
on
> > the
> > > > top bar got gooey, and wiping it away, a nice walnut finish was
> exposed.
> > > >
> > > > At the time I bought my VV-XVIII, it needed a good going over to
> remove
> > > > grime, but wasn't as bad as some cabinets I've seen. I went further
> and
> > > > flowed the original shellac finish with alcohol. Except for some
> areas,
> > the
> > > > finish is as new.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if anyone is keeping a log of serial numbers on these
> > phonographs.
> > > > I have the impression that all of the jobs came down the line, and
> were
> > > > consecutively numbered, with no special notation for such special
> > > > treatments as electric motor, circassian walnut, or other woods. One
> > > > interesting little detail: one of our phono collectors in this area
> has
> > a
> > > > XVIII Electric drive. The cabinet has a cute decoratice cover over
the
> > > > crank hole. Evidently, all cabinets were drilled for the crank.
> > > >
> > > > My XVIII has mahogany finish, and spring motor; a cheapie. The
serial
> > > > number is 1277. The name plate on the motor board is the copper
one. A
> > few
> > > > years ago, one was on eBay, with a serial number around 1309, and it
> > had an
> > > > aluminum name plate. So, it appears that, somewhere between mine and
> the
> > > > one for auction, Victor changed name plates.
> > > >
> > > > At present, I'm getting my Victor Electrola 12-25 put together,
> checking
> > > > everything carefully before I put power to the amplifier. I did the
> > Go-Jo
> > > > treatment to the cabinet. The finish on it is a mirror. I've never
> seen
> > a
> > > > cabinet that old, in that perfect shape. I'm anxious to have it
> going. I
> > > > also have a 12-15 Electrola, and it's dynamite.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Andrew Baron <andy at popyrus.com>
> > > > > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > > > > Date: 10/21/2009 10:04:42 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Douglas.  Needless to say, the novelty of seeing this
> visitor
> > > > > in my music room hasn't begun to lose its luster, and the XVIII
will
> > > > > soon regain its.
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought of Go-Jo as well, at least as a first step.  The black
> > > > > residue is dense here and there, but it must also be darkening the
> > > > > finish even where it doesn't appear to be built up to opaqueness.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Douglas Houston wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've had my  VV-XVIII for about 25 years. It took a moment to
> > > > > > realize just
> > > > > > what I was looking at, but $120.00 was a reasonable price,
> > > > > > regardless of
> > > > > > condition. Everything was there, except the storage albums. One
> > > > > > spring was
> > > > > > broken at the outer end, and was quicly repaired. A going over
> with
> > > > > > Go-Jo
> > > > > > made it clean as new. I know just how you feel, Andy!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> [Original Message]
> > > > > >> From: Mobility Scooters <mobilityscooters at xtra.co.nz>
> > > > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > > > > >> Date: 10/21/2009 1:26:44 AM
> > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Andy
> > > > > >> Great story!
> > > > > >> Well done that is just fantastic and to think of  how many
people
> > > > > >> must of
> > > > > >> seen it before you did in the afternoon.
> > > > > >> I would say it was waiting for you.
> > > > > >> There will be no stopping you going shopping with your wife for
> the
> > > > > >> rest
> > > > > > of
> > > > > >> your life. ha ha
> > > > > >> All the very best
> > > > > >> Tony
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > > [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > > > >> ]On
> > > > > >> Behalf Of Ken and Brenda Brekke
> > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:57 p.m.
> > > > > >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
> > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Congrats!!!!  Any chance of posting pictures???
> > > > > >> Ken B.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > > [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> > > > > >> ]
> > > > > > On
> > > > > >> Behalf Of Andrew Baron
> > > > > >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:46 PM
> > > > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List
> > > > > >> Subject: [Phono-L] Never thought it would happen to me
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> From time to time, I've derived vicarious pleasure from reading
> of
> > > > > >> some
> > > > > > of
> > > > > >> the phono-L members' coincidental discovery and acquisition of
a
> > > > > >> particularly sought-after or scarce phonograph.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> In general, most of the membership are in areas that are either
> > more
> > > > > >> populated, or nearer to denser metropolitan areas than here in
> > > > > >> Santa Fe,
> > > > > > NM.
> > > > > >> Roll back the calendar a few decades, and my region is pretty
> > > > > >> sparsely
> > > > > >> populated, with more ranching than any kind of manufacturing or
> > > > > >> other work
> > > > > >> that would draw a larger population.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Fewer people = fewer manufactured goods, including phonographs.
> > > > > >> Add to
> > > > > > this
> > > > > >> the budget for a machine that most New Mexicans had (or
> prioritized
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >> music) a century or so ago, and you have relatively few
> phonographs
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > > begin
> > > > > >> with, and most of those in the low-to-middle cost range. 
Edison
> > > > > > Standards,
> > > > > >> Victrola IV's, X's and XI's, and low- end Columbias are
> inevitably
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> models that turn up, and usually in none too good a condition
if
> > > > > >> not out
> > > > > > of
> > > > > >> a collection.  Naturally some desirable machines were brought
> here
> > > > > >> later
> > > > > > on,
> > > > > >> but by and large this hasn't amounted to anything significant,
> and
> > > > > >> there
> > > > > >> isn't much of a collecting community here.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So opportunities to build a collection are rather limited. That
> > being
> > > > > > said,
> > > > > >> I started collecting in 1974, when I was 12, and my Victor
8-30X,
> > > > > >> Edison
> > > > > >> maroon Gem, Edison early A-250 and a Zonophone Grand
> > > > > >> Opera were all acquired here in Santa Fe, current population
> > 72,000.
> > > > > >> Not exactly a small town, but outside of Albuquerque, we are
> > > > > > geographically
> > > > > >> isolated from the big population centers.  The Zonophone was
> > > > > >> brought here
> > > > > >> from New England in the '70s, when its past owner moved here.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> To the subject at hand:
> > > > > >> Two days ago, a big local consignment shop was having their
> annual
> > > > > >> Fall
> > > > > >> sale; everything 30% off.  This event draws what seems like
half
> of
> > > > > >> Santa
> > > > > >> Fe, and while my wife and I usually attend it, we generally
wait
> > > > > >> until
> > > > > > late
> > > > > >> in the day to avoid the pressing crowds.  Anyway, most of what
> the
> > > > > >> shop
> > > > > >> sells is vintage furniture, rugs, artwork, etc., some of it
quite
> > > > > >> nice,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > >> rarely anything of particular interest to a phonograph
collector,
> > > > > >> so no
> > > > > >> penalty for arriving when convenient.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> We had been browsing around for about a quarter of an hour when
> the
> > > > > >> proprietor let me know that there were "a couple of Victrolas"
in
> > > > > >> the next
> > > > > >> room.  We continued looking around in the part of the store
where
> > we
> > > > > >> currently were, and after about ten minutes more, I finally
said
> > > > > >> that I'd
> > > > > >> like to take a look and see what the phonographs were.  We
headed
> > > > > >> casually
> > > > > >> across the distance, through the crowds of people and things
> toward
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > > next
> > > > > >> room.  No sooner had I uttered the words "These machines are
> going
> > > > > >> to be
> > > > > >> examples of the most common models, and probably overpriced",
> than
> > > > > >> I could
> > > > > >> see the unmistakable silhouette of Victor XVII or XVIII, just
> > > > > >> sticking out
> > > > > >> beyond the wall separating the rooms.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Quickening my pace (they were still 20 feet away), I prepared
my
> > > > > >> mind to
> > > > > > see
> > > > > >> a Victor XVII, the alternative possibility being somewhat
beyond
> my
> > > > > >> powers
> > > > > >> of imagination.  Still, a Victor XVII would be a great find
> > > > > >> although I
> > > > > >> already own one (courtesy of a very kind tip from a thoughtful
> > > > > >> phono-L
> > > > > >> member, $200, and a 125 mile round-trip to Albuquerque).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Coming up alongside the curvy machine, I noticed first that the
> top
> > > > > >> curl
> > > > > > of
> > > > > >> the rear corner post was mostly missing -- a clean break from
> > > > > >> bashing the
> > > > > >> machine into a wall or truck bed, no doubt.  I also noticed the
> > fine,
> > > > > >> expressive trim on the cabinet side and the chevron- shaped
> veneer
> > > > > >> pattern
> > > > > >> and practically leapt the last couple of feet so I could see
the
> > > > > >> front of
> > > > > >> the machine, which left no doubt.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> There's something unbelievable about finding a top-end machine
in
> > New
> > > > > >> Mexico, and even though I have the XVII, and was already well
> aware
> > > > > >> of the
> > > > > >> differences, I had to see the VV-XVIII on the ID plate with my
> own
> > > > > >> eyes.
> > > > > >> The 3-digit serial number was also a strange thing to behold
on a
> > New
> > > > > > Mexico
> > > > > >> Victrola.  This was a dirty, dusty machine, with some of its
> edges
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > > trim
> > > > > >> scraped up from careless handling, but at a glance, in
generally
> > > > > >> good and
> > > > > >> very solid shape except for a few scrapes and that broken-off
> upper
> > > > > >> rear
> > > > > >> corner piece.  Definitely not something out of someone's
> phonograph
> > > > > >> collection, and just as you like to find them
> > > > > >> -- clearly untouched for decades.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> A quick appraisal of what it had to offer revealed:
> > > > > >> Original gold V key;
> > > > > >> Gold needle cup, all original casters, all correct knobs, front
> and
> > > > > >> back;
> > > > > >> Large, gold crank escutcheon detached and screws missing, but
> still
> > > > > > sitting
> > > > > >> on the crank about a half-inch out from the side of the
cabinet;
> > Near
> > > > > >> perfect felt on the platter; Almost certainly the original gold
> > > > > >> Exhibition
> > > > > >> soundbox, Ser. #87347B, never rebuilt; Very, very dirty under
the
> > > > > >> lid and
> > > > > > in
> > > > > >> general (what is this greasy, black stuff?); Most of the record
> > > > > >> storage
> > > > > > area
> > > > > >> filled with (non-Victor) matched albums full of classical
> records,
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> otherwise stuffed to the gills with sheet music; Missing the
> lower
> > > > > >> key
> > > > > >> escutcheon and motor lift knob (and that maddeningly absent
> corner
> > > > > >> curl).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Price, $650, minus 30%.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Sold!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It's home now, and I'm having fun cleaning it up and getting
more
> > > > > > intimately
> > > > > >> familiar with its exquisite details, and learning why this
model
> is
> > > > > >> so
> > > > > >> prized.  It's going to be quite nice, ultimately, with a
> > respectable
> > > > > >> original finish, after a many hours of carefully applied elbow
> > > > > >> grease and
> > > > > >> the appropriate preparations.  The fancy work and doors on the
> back
> > > > > >> with
> > > > > >> their gold-plated hardware, concealing a nice compartment came
> as a
> > > > > > complete
> > > > > >> surprise.  You never see this view in the books.  The motor is
> > > > > >> relatively
> > > > > >> clean (very little of the usual greasy build-up, just a
yellowed
> > > > > >> film of
> > > > > > old
> > > > > >> hard residue).  A couple drops of oil in all the pertinent
> places,
> > > > > >> and a
> > > > > >> light coat of fresh
> > > > > >> grease on the governor worm, and it runs very quietly and
evenly.
> > > > > >> Even the speed indicator works.  The main springs thud
something
> > > > > >> awful
> > > > > > when
> > > > > >> winding down though, so I'll treat the motor to a proper tear-
> down
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> rebuild when I attend to those noisy springs.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Comparing the total production of the spring-motor XVIII to the
> > > > > >> number of
> > > > > >> Victrolas produced puts it at something like 0.0004 of the
total
> > > > > >> 1906 - 1929 production, and .0009 of the 1906-1920 production
> total
> > > > > >> (Roman
> > > > > >> numeral model-number era).  This equates to less than one-tenth
> of
> > > > > >> one
> > > > > >> percent of the total production of the early Victrola era, and
> less
> > > > > >> than
> > > > > >> half of that when considering the total Victrola era, if I did
my
> > > > > >> math
> > > > > >> right.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Finally (for those who've had the patience to read this far),
the
> > > > > >> gold-
> > > > > >> plated motor lift knob was found in the needle cup, and the
> broken-
> > > > > >> off
> > > > > >> upper-rear corner was found otherwise undamaged, in a recess of
> the
> > > > > > cabinet.
> > > > > >> It proved a seamless fit to the fracture surface.  Anyone got a
> key
> > > > > >> escutcheon?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I hope you've enjoyed this story, still fresh from the event
and
> > > > > > accurately
> > > > > >> conveyed, and I wish similarly exciting phonograph discoveries
> for
> > > > > >> those
> > > > > > of
> > > > > >> you who have not yet had the pleasure.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Kindest regards,
> > > > > >> Andy Baron
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From edisonstuff at comcast.net  Mon Nov  9 12:47:49 2009
From: edisonstuff at comcast.net (edisonstuff at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:47:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE
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Updated Phone Numbers for Museum, I gave the wrong phone?number to schedule tours for other than the one day a month they are now open. 



The correct?numbers are: 302-739-4266 or 302-744-5055 Someone at either number can help. 






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Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 8:30:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE 



Update on The Johnson Victrola Museum, Dover Delaware. 



For anyone interested, The Johnson Victrola Museum is open only on the First Saturday of the Month hours are 9:00 to 4:30 it's also open by appointment by calling 302-739-4236 to schedule a visit it's great place to?put on your list?with plenty to see & hear as some machines on display?can be demonstrated. 



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From edisonstuff at comcast.net  Mon Nov  9 12:42:23 2009
From: edisonstuff at comcast.net (edisonstuff at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:42:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE
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Sorry to hear you had that experience at the Museum, until budget cuts forced the cutback to one day a month &?even before ?the second floor was opened?ten years ago they've had a paid staff on site to give very knowledgeable tours. One highlight for me was seeing & hearing the playing of an Auxeto phone, along with seeing a great collection of very important phonograph items other than Victor, including a Tin Foil machine, Edison C lass M, American Treadle Gramophone, Columbia Coin Op & a great advertising display a large Nipper collection & also a large assortment of toy phonographs. The second floor of the museum contains mostly the collection of the late Dr. Lynwood Heiges. Also ?I listed an incorrect phone # in my previous post the correct number is 302-739-4266 or 302-744-5055, use either one to schedual?a tour, I? ?apologize for the confusion ! 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Maeder" <appywander at hotmail.com> 
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> 
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 9:32:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE 


I suppose they are closed so much because of budget cuts? ?I have only been there once in 2001. ?They share park rangers with the other two museums adjacent (a native American museum and a local historical museum). ?The ranger that gave the tour when I was there was more attuned to the native American museum and gave an incredibly garbled tour of the Johnson museum ("If they have horns they are called Gramophones, if they don't they are called Victrolas", etc.) ?I about bit my tongue in two before the tour was finished. I went away without a great deal of deeper insight into ERJ himself. ?The phonographs are wonderful, of course, but I really wanted to know more about ERJ as a person, and my visit did little for that. ?I think Son Fen had something a bit different in mind as a memorial to his dad. ?Even at that, I'm sorry to hear it is only open one day a week. 

I wish there could be a 'National Museum of Recorded Sound' endowed in perpetuity and set up as a 501(c)3 to collect, display, and interpret the development of the sound recording industry -- accurately and impressively ?-- once and for all. ?It would be a research center as well. ?In another 100 years, I think future generations would thank us. 

> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:30:28 +0000 
> From: edisonstuff at comcast.net 
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org 
> Subject: [Phono-L] Johnson Victrola Museum Dover, DE 
> 
> 
> 
> Update on The Johnson Victrola Museum, Dover Delaware. 
> 
> 
> 
> For anyone interested, The Johnson Victrola Museum is open only on the First Saturday of the Month hours are 9:00 to 4:30 it's also open by appointment by calling 302-739-4236 to schedule a visit it's great place to put on your list with plenty to see & hear as some machines on display can be demonstrated. 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards, Jim G. 
> 
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From jeeplvr2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 17:18:54 2009
From: jeeplvr2000 at yahoo.com (chris call)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:18:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 173
In-Reply-To: <mailman.24.1257799198.294.phono-l@oldcrank.org>
Message-ID: <641752.66426.qm@web83307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


Looking for phonograph parts for a Detrola model 626, Specifically I am looking for the small wheel that turns the platter via the motor.
?
thank for any help.
Chris C.

From Zonophone2006 at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 15:02:34 2009
From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:02:34 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] hello all
Message-ID: <d0d.64cf448f.382b4b0a@aol.com>

i just picked up on ebay a talking book from canada
joan and robin you may know
its the watermelon coon and the front banner is blank but the back and  
front are the same as the us version other than the canadian address
in 1919 was canada pc in not putting the title on the front
there is no erasure of the title it just was never printed on it
thanks
zono

From majesticrecord at snet.net  Wed Nov 11 10:25:47 2009
From: majesticrecord at snet.net (Glenn Longwell)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:25:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value??
In-Reply-To: <690076.55003.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <17996.85897.qm@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Columbia BNW is now safely home in my possession.? Thanks for the help.

Glenn

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Glenn Longwell <majesticrecord at snet.net> wrote:


From: Glenn Longwell <majesticrecord at snet.net>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value??
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 1:42 AM


Thanks for the advice everyone.? Was along my thoughts on what it should be worth but didn't know for sure.

Glenn



________________________________
From: "Zonophone2006 at aol.com" <Zonophone2006 at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:47:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value??

hi glen
i agree with this
i paid 450 for one about 7 years ago? but the metal horn on this is at? 
least 450 
if it is in good shape


In a message dated 10/30/2009 12:10:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? 
harveykravitz at yahoo.com writes:

Hi Glen,? the machine is worth around $900. It's a fairly late machine and 
needs a good? cleaning. The BNW is a scarce machine. You don't see to many 
of these. I also? have a late BNW and I paid $900 for mine. Hopes this will 
help you. Good luck? with your purchase. Harvey? Kravitz




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From: Glenn? Longwell <majesticrecord at snet.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List? <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 11:21:53? AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BNW value??

Hey folks, looking for? some help.? I have an opportunity to acquire a 
Columbia BNW.? What's? the going rate for one of these for a fair offer?? 
Pictures are up on my? website at

http://www.majesticrecord.com/columbiabnw.htm.

This? would be my first outside horn disc machine.? So am out of touch on? 
values.? I'm also figuring it's a BNW based on Columbia Phonograph? 
Companion by Robert Baumbach.? Corrections welcome.

Thanks for? your? help.

Glenn
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From wilenzick at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 12 08:22:34 2009
From: wilenzick at bellsouth.net (Ray & Phyllis Wilenzick)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:22:34 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor R (Royal) phonograph for sale
Message-ID: <CBBD79E3DB5D46AEB538019EB9DBBAD1@WilenzickPC>

Selling outstanding Victor R (Royal) serial # 2521 that has been in my collection for 30 years.  This is a true mint 100% original phonograph.  Everything on it is in superb condition, including the 7" turntable felt, record hold-down, wooden arm, exhibition jr. reproducer, oxidized parts, crank, black/brass bell horn, etc. Even has the original oxidized record duster.  Will include album of 15 7" discs with it.  $1500 plus shipping.  You will never see a nicer one.  E-mail me off list for photos and any information.

Ray Wilenzick
wilenzick at bellsouth.net

From appywander at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 13 12:35:51 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:35:51 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Magnificent mahogany 'Opera' and record cabinet for sale
Message-ID: <SNT120-W37DBE9EB1DB9D670186B23DCA80@phx.gbl>


Edison 'Opera' in mahogany with Model 'L' reproducer on matching base cabinet that holds 240 cylinders in clips.  Low serial number in 400's.  Phonograph and cabinet were purchased together when new at Southern California Music on Broadway in Los Angeles.  Also included is the business card of the salesman who sold this set to a Los Angeles attorney in 1911.  This was in an old southern California collection for years. 'Opera' in excellent original condition with only extremely minor wear.  Original finish on case, lid, and horn.  Horn elbow re-grained in the 1980's.  Record cabinet has nice, old refinish and is the only example of this style I have seen.  Carved ball & claw feet.  Reproducer rebuilt by Steven Medved.  Cabinet and Phonograph sold together as a set only.  They don't come any nicer than this!  $8000  502-410-9269  Can ship, hold for pick-up, or carefully deliver to Union in June free of charge.

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From msprinzen at juno.com  Sun Nov 15 18:10:43 2009
From: msprinzen at juno.com (Merle Sprinzen)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:10:43 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] FOR SALE: Phonographs for sale and a Nirona portable box
Message-ID: <20091115.212110.4788.27.msprinzen@juno.com>

Hi Everyone --

It's still fall cleaning time around here, and I thought I'd re-post the
information about the phonographs I still have -- and there are some
additions.  I'm happy to send photos.  Here's what I have, and if you'd
like any of these or more information, please contact me off list:

PHONOGRAPHS

1.  Vanophone -- Good working order and all parts original (at least as
far as I can tell).  This is the version without the speed control slider
on the front.  $345.
2.  Polly Portable phonograph -- This is the one with the paper
collapsible horn, which is present and in good condition.  The carrying
handle on the case has one tab missing, so you can't pick it up by the
handle (not that you'd want to anyway).  Otherwise everything else is
there and original.  $125.
3.  Another Polly Portable -- This one is missing the paper horn and the
handle has been replaced.  A good machine for parts.  $85.

NIRONA BOX

1.  The Nirona portable phonographs originally came in a hard cardboard
box that had illustrations on the sides.  As you might imagine, these
boxes are fairly rare because they were often disposed of after the
purchase.  The top of the box I have is torn but it is all original and
gives you a sense of what the box is like (pictures will tell the story
better than I can).  $40
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From steve_noreen at msn.com  Sun Nov 15 19:28:22 2009
From: steve_noreen at msn.com (Steven Medved)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:28:22 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Edisonic name lived on
Message-ID: <COL118-W27CD07A4FA8D067CE39D49F6A50@phx.gbl>


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From appywander at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 16 17:01:58 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:01:58 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Price of mahogany 'Opera' and matching cylinder cabinet
	reduced
Message-ID: <SNT120-W9888DD30461DB9B77764FDCA40@phx.gbl>


Edison 'Opera' in mahogany with Model 'L' reproducer on matching base
cabinet that holds 240 cylinders in clips.  Low serial number in
400's.  Phonograph and cabinet were purchased together when new at
Southern California Music on Broadway in Los Angeles.  Also included is
the business card of the salesman who sold this set to a Los Angeles
attorney in 1911.  This was in an old southern California collection
for years. 'Opera' in excellent original condition with only extremely
minor wear.  Original finish on case, lid, and horn.  Horn elbow
re-grained in the 1980's.  Record cabinet has nice, old refinish and is
the only example of this style I have seen.  Carved ball & claw
feet.  Reproducer rebuilt by Steven Medved.  Cabinet and Phonograph
sold together as a set only.  They don't come any nicer than this!  PRICE REDUCED TO $7200  502-410-9269  Can ship, hold for pick-up, or carefully deliver
to Union in June free of charge.

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From klinger at modex.com  Mon Nov 16 19:13:42 2009
From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:13:42 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Awards 2009 -- Winners
Message-ID: <A31AD51B0F6A4462A000D110ADEDD1B4@billqbszr49l7m>

The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click
on the link at the end of this message.

--- 2009 ARSC AWARDS ---

The Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) is pleased to announce
the winners of the 2009 ARSC Awards for Excellence in Historical Recorded
Sound Research. Begun in 1991, the awards are presented to authors and
publishers of books, articles, liner notes, and monographs, to recognize
outstanding published research in the field of recorded sound. In giving
these awards, ARSC recognizes outstanding contributions, encourages high
standards, and promotes awareness of superior works. A maximum of two awards
is presented annually in each category -- one for best history and one for
best discography. Certificates of Merit are presented to runners-up of
exceptionally high quality. The 2009 Awards for Excellence honor works
published in 2008. Additionally, a Lifetime Achievement Award and Award for
Distinguished Service to Historical Recordings are also presented annually.
The 2009 winners are:

BEST RESEARCH in RECORDED BLUES, GOSPEL, RHYTHM & BLUES, or SOUL MUSIC

I Got Two Wings: Incidents and Anecdotes of the Two Winged Preacher and
Electric Guitar Evangelist, Elder Utah Smith; by Lynn Abbott (Case Quarter)

Certificate of Merit:
Texas Blues: The Rise of a Contemporary Sound, by Alan B. Govenar (Texas A&M
Press)

BEST RESEARCH in RECORDED CLASSICAL MUSIC

Best Discography:
Boston Symphony Orchestra: An Augmented Discography, by James H. North
(Scarecrow Press)

Best History:
A Charles Ives Omnibus, by James Mack Burk (Pendragon)

Certificates of Merit:

After the Golden Age: Romantic Pianism and Modern Performance, by Kenneth
Hamilton (Oxford University Press)

Sprechstimme in Arnold Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire: A Study of Vocal
Performance Practice, by Aidan Soder (Edwin Mellen Press)

BEST RESEARCH in RECORDED COUNTRY MUSIC

Linthead Stomp: The Creation of Country Music in the Piedmont South, by
Patrick Huber (University of North Carolina Press)

Certificates of Merit:

Working Girl Blues: The Life and Music of Hazel Dickens, by Hazel Dickens
and Bill C. Malone (University of Illinois Press)

Merle Haggard: Concepts Live.1968-1976, by Deke Dickerson (Bear Family)

BEST RESEARCH in RECORDED FOLK, ETHNIC, or WORLD MUSIC

Mexican American Mojo: Popular Music, Dance and Urban Culture in Los
Angeles, 1935-1968; by Anthony Macias (Duke University Press)

Certificate of Merit:
Lemko Folk Music on Wax Cylinders and American Recordings, 1901-1930; by
Bogdan Horbal and Walter Maksimovich (self-published)

BEST RESEARCH in GENERAL HISTORY of RECORDED SOUND

Den Talande Maskinen: De Forsta Inspelade Ljuden I Sverige Och Norden (The
Talking Machine: The First Recorded Sounds in Sweden and Scandinavia); by
Tony Franzen, Gunnar Sundberg, and Lars Thelander (Suomen
Aanitearkisto/Finlands Ljudarkiv)

Certificate of Merit:
Sound Media: A Theory of Live Journalism and Musical Recording, by Lars Nyre
(Routledge)

BEST RESEARCH in RECORD LABELS

Best Discography:
Montgomery Ward Records: A Discography, by Allan Sutton (Mainspring Press)

Best History:
Revolutionizing Children's Records: The Young People's Records and
Children's Record Guild Series, 1946-1977; by David Bonner (Scarecrow Press)

Certificate of Merit:
The Edison Discography, 1926-1929; by Raymond R. Wile (Mainspring Press)

BEST RESEARCH in RECORDED JAZZ MUSIC

Best Discography:
John Coltrane Reference; by Chris DeVito, David Wild, Yasuhiro Fujioka, and
Wolf Schmaler; edited by Lewis Porter (Routledge)

Best History:
A Power Stronger Than Itself: The AACM and American Experimental Music, by
George E. Lewis (University of Chicago Press)

Certificates of Merit:

Backstory in Blue: Ellington at Newport '56, by John Fass Morton (Rutgers
University Press)

Playing the Changes: Milt Hinton's Life in Stories and Photographs; by Milt
Hinton, David Berger and Holly Maxson (Vanderbilt University Press)

Miles Davis, Miles Smiles, and the Invention of Post Bop; by Jeremy Yudkin
(Indiana University Press)

Luck's in My Corner: The Life and Music of Hot Lips Page, by Todd Bryant
Weeks (Routledge)

Delightfulee: The Life and Music of Lee Morgan, by Jeffrey McMillan
(University of Michigan Press)

Monk's Music: Thelonious Monk and Jazz History in the Making, by Gabriel
Solis (University of California Press)

BEST RESEARCH in RECORDED ROCK and POPULAR MUSIC

Sgt. Pepper and The Beatles: It Was Forty Years Ago Today; by Olivier Julien
(Ashgate)

Certificate of Merit:

Mondo Exotica: Sounds, Visions, Obsessions of the Cocktail Generation; by
Francesco Adinolfi (Duke University Press)

So You Want To Be a Rock and Roll Star: The Byrds Day-By-Day, 1965-1973; by
Christopher Hjort (Jawbone Press)

Hot Burritos: The True Story of the Flying Burrito Brothers, by John
Einarson and Chris Hillman (Jawbone Press)


2009 LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD: CRISTOBAL DIAZ-AYALA

ARSC annually presents a Lifetime Achievement Award to an individual, in
recognition of a life's work in recorded sound research and publication.

Cristobal Diaz-Ayala was born and educated in Havana, where he received
degrees in journalism, the social sciences, and law. He joined the flood of
emigres from there, in 1961.

His lifelong love of the music of his birthplace led him to study and
publish works on the history of Cuban music styles, their presentation on
stage, radio, and other media, and their appearance on historical sound
recordings from 1905 (the earliest known) to the present day. He has written
several books, including "San Juan - New York: Discografia de la Musica
Puertorriquena 1900-1942," published this year.

In 1994, Diaz-Ayala received the ARSC Award for Best Research in Recorded
Folk or Ethnic Music, for his book-length "Discografia de la Musica Cubana."

Diaz-Ayala was producer and host for "CUBANACAN," a long-running syndicated
radio series.

He became well known for assembling a major collection of sound recordings,
sheet music, and other ephemera that now resides at Florida International
University in Miami.


2009 AWARD FOR DISTINGUISHED SERVICE TO HISTORICAL RECORDINGS: WARD MARSTON

ARSC's Award for Distinguished Service to Historical Recordings honors a
person who has made outstanding contributions to the field, outside of
published works or discographic research.
In 1979, Ward Marston put himself on the map as one of the world's leading
transfer engineers with his restoration of the experimental Bell
Laboratories Wide Range and Stereophonic recordings of Leopold Stokowski and
the Philadelphia Orchestra, made in 1931 and 1932. Audiophiles and music
lovers alike were stunned by the remarkable recorded sound Marston was able
to extract from the Bell recordings. The painstaking manual synchronization
of the dual-band stereophonic recordings would be typical of the care and
attention to detail that Marston would bring to so many future projects.

Since that time, Marston's work has appeared on the labels of many major
record companies. His 11-CD collection devoted to the Victor recordings of
Fritz Kreisler, released in 1995, received a Grammy nomination for Best
Historical Album. Marston's other significant historical projects were: the
Franklin Mint Toscanini Collection, BMG's 10-CD Complete Rachmaninoff, the
12-CD Philadelphia Orchestra Centennial Collection, the complete recordings
of Josef Hofmann, and the complete recordings of Caruso for the Pearl and
Naxos labels.

In 1997, he formed his own record label, Marston, concentrating on the
reissue of recordings by performers neglected by the major record companies,
including an ongoing series devoted to the acoustically recorded, complete
operas on Pathe. His most recent achievements on his own label include the
Julius Block collection, a three-CD collection of rare, privately-made
cylinder recordings featuring some of the most important musical
personalities of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

The success of Marston's work over the past 30 years is a result of a rare
combination of musical knowledge and sensitivity, together with technical
skill.


2009 ARSC AWARDS COMMITTEE

Winners are chosen by the ARSC Awards Committee: five elected judges
representing specific fields of study, plus the ARSC President, and the Book
Review Editor of the ARSC Journal. The members of the 2009 ARSC Awards
Committee are:

Robert Iannapollo (Awards Committee Co-Chair)
Roberta Freund-Schwartz (Awards Committee Co-Chair)
Brenda Nelson-Strauss (Awards Committee)
David Seubert (ARSC President)
Jim Farrington (Book Review Editor, ARSC Journal)
David Hamilton (Classical Music Judge)
Kip Lornell (Judge-at-Large)
Dan Morgenstern (Jazz Music Judge)
William L. Schurk (Popular Music Judge)
Dick Spottswood (Judge-at-Large)

The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals --
everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. Additional information
about ARSC, including lists of past ARSC Award Winners and Finalists, may be
found at http://www.arsc-audio.org.



From mtucker at exemail.com.au  Mon Nov 16 22:26:24 2009
From: mtucker at exemail.com.au (Mike Tucker)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:26:24 +1100
Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph A
Message-ID: <452E5709E6944728B5352064410298B5@mikefb1afb33f4>

Does anyone have a spare Triumph A topworks for sale. I can use several.

Rough paint is OK as long as they are undamaged and not corroded.

Would prefer carriage and mandrel, but not essential.

Contact Mike Tucker mtucker at exemail.com.au

From bruce78rpm at comcast.net  Tue Nov 17 12:28:18 2009
From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net (bruce78rpm at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:28:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for a Columbia BG Graphophone
In-Reply-To: <006401ca66f4$1d246be0$6501a8c0@me21f78df2d8c7>
Message-ID: <429076417.4506181258489698456.JavaMail.root@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I received an email from this gentlemen who is looking to buy a Columbia BG Graphophone. Anyone who might have one for sale or know of anyone that does, please respond to him direct. 

Thanks, 

Bruce 
----- Forwarded Message ----- 
From: "coinoplibrary" <coinoplibrary at comcast.net> 
To: Bruce78rpm at comcast.net 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:36:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: phono 



Hi, I'm looking for a Columbia BG phonograph. Do you know anyone who has one for sale? Thanks. Larry 

From glastris at comcast.net  Tue Nov 17 15:01:17 2009
From: glastris at comcast.net (George Glastris)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:01:17 -0600
Subject: [Phono-L] Polk Miller on NPR
Message-ID: <84BC23406C5149CAAE17F4F020E2AEF1@GLASTRISPC>

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120398673

From veomec at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 17 20:21:11 2009
From: veomec at sbcglobal.net (Carol Veome)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:21:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Polk Miller on NPR
In-Reply-To: <84BC23406C5149CAAE17F4F020E2AEF1@GLASTRISPC>
Message-ID: <672513.95542.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks George.? I only caught part of this broadcast Friday.? Very interesting.
CV

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, George Glastris <glastris at comcast.net> wrote:


From: George Glastris <glastris at comcast.net>
Subject: [Phono-L] Polk Miller on NPR
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 5:01 PM


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120398673
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From appywander at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 18 15:01:50 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:01:50 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] For sale items
Message-ID: <SNT120-W10AC2D7757F00FB9EA0DF0DCA30@phx.gbl>


I have listed several cylinder Edisons for sale at this link:

http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewforum.php?f=9

Worth a look!

Thanks!

John
 		 	   		  

From appywander at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 19 06:30:39 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] More stuff for sale
Message-ID: <SNT120-W48CC0FA984AFBEBCF678A3DCA20@phx.gbl>


http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3243 		 	   		  

From lherault at bu.edu  Thu Nov 19 06:46:56 2009
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:46:56 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] More stuff for sale
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W48CC0FA984AFBEBCF678A3DCA20@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W48CC0FA984AFBEBCF678A3DCA20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002a01ca6927$23f59ae0$77d6299b@ad.bu.edu>

What would that 4 foot long horn have gone on originally, John?   The
Modernola is a neat looking machine.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of John Maeder
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:31 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] More stuff for sale


http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3243

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From appywander at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 19 07:26:59 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:26:59 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] More stuff for sale
In-Reply-To: <002a01ca6927$23f59ae0$77d6299b@ad.bu.edu>
References: <SNT120-W48CC0FA984AFBEBCF678A3DCA20@phx.gbl>,
	<002a01ca6927$23f59ae0$77d6299b@ad.bu.edu>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W65A71C61B0BCDF734603DDDCA20@phx.gbl>


It was an extra-cost option.  The sheer size would look awkward on -- and topple -- just about anything but a Vic V or VI.  That size horn was also found on Auxetophones.

> From: lherault at bu.edu
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:46:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] More stuff for sale
> 
> What would that 4 foot long horn have gone on originally, John?   The
> Modernola is a neat looking machine.
> 
> Ron L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
> Behalf Of John Maeder
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:31 AM
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Subject: [Phono-L] More stuff for sale
> 
> 
> http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3243
> 
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From appywander at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 19 14:04:11 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:04:11 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
Message-ID: <SNT120-W459E1EBF5BF606753C41ABDCA20@phx.gbl>


I don't have your email or phone number!  Please contact me!
 		 	   		  

From smstitt at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 14:11:14 2009
From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:11:14 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W459E1EBF5BF606753C41ABDCA20@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W459E1EBF5BF606753C41ABDCA20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0911191411v4b0c3814r157b96d15e730677@mail.gmail.com>

Okay.


On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I don't have your email or phone number!  Please contact me!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>

From appywander at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 19 14:49:48 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:49:48 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff0911191411v4b0c3814r157b96d15e730677@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT120-W459E1EBF5BF606753C41ABDCA20@phx.gbl>,
	<7e8e90ff0911191411v4b0c3814r157b96d15e730677@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W86EF64154043FBE3E409FDCA20@phx.gbl>


Not sure why you're replying to this, Mike . . . do you know who I am trying to contact?

> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:11:14 -0800
> From: smstitt at gmail.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
> 
> Okay.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I don't have your email or phone number!  Please contact me!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From smstitt at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 16:15:51 2009
From: smstitt at gmail.com (Mike Stitt)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:15:51 -0800
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W86EF64154043FBE3E409FDCA20@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W459E1EBF5BF606753C41ABDCA20@phx.gbl>
	<7e8e90ff0911191411v4b0c3814r157b96d15e730677@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W86EF64154043FBE3E409FDCA20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7e8e90ff0911191615v70afb9e2leabbef0c8524b2bf@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry John, my mistake. No more multitasking for me. Nice pictures btw.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Not sure why you're replying to this, Mike . . . do you know who I am
> trying to contact?
>
> > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:11:14 -0800
> > From: smstitt at gmail.com
> > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
> >
> > Okay.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I don't have your email or phone number!  Please contact me!
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phono-L mailing list
> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
>

From appywander at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 19 16:36:44 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:36:44 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
In-Reply-To: <7e8e90ff0911191615v70afb9e2leabbef0c8524b2bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT120-W459E1EBF5BF606753C41ABDCA20@phx.gbl>,
	<7e8e90ff0911191411v4b0c3814r157b96d15e730677@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT120-W86EF64154043FBE3E409FDCA20@phx.gbl>,
	<7e8e90ff0911191615v70afb9e2leabbef0c8524b2bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W803C8C0821FA1DF30C511DCA10@phx.gbl>


Thanks!

> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:15:51 -0800
> From: smstitt at gmail.com
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
> 
> Sorry John, my mistake. No more multitasking for me. Nice pictures btw.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Not sure why you're replying to this, Mike . . . do you know who I am
> > trying to contact?
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:11:14 -0800
> > > From: smstitt at gmail.com
> > > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
> > >
> > > Okay.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Maeder <appywander at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't have your email or phone number!  Please contact me!
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Phono-L mailing list
> > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Phono-L mailing list
> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phono-L mailing list
> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
> >
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From AGW1886 at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 16:53:15 2009
From: AGW1886 at aol.com (AGW1886 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:53:15 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
Message-ID: <cab.5591e659.3837427b@aol.com>

Hello Friends,
? I have a 1923 Victorola VV-VI that needs a crank, crank hole escutchion, 
good used Exhibition reproducer and ball bearings with the ball bearing cage 
for the arm swivel.
  The crank must be male threaded and the distance from the crank reciever 
in the motor to the outside of the case is around 3 inches. 
  Can anyone help me find same?

Sincerely.
Rick A. Jorgensen

GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION
http://www.geaaonline.org
UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES
http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html

From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 17:34:28 2009
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:34:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
In-Reply-To: <cab.5591e659.3837427b@aol.com>
References: <cab.5591e659.3837427b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <184978.79787.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Rick, I have the parts that you need, except for the ball bearings. On this machine, you can either use a Victor .Exhibition or a Victrola No. 2. Both are acceptable. Let me know which one you want and I can provide you one. I have the correct crank, but there is a chip in the knob. I have the escutcheon you need but it is dirty. Here is what I use for ball bearings: I separate the little balls from a dog tag necklace. They work great. I have been looking for those ball bearings myself. If you are interested I'll let you have the whole deal( with choice of reproducers) for $100, including S/H/I and delivery confirmation. I will will go on base and buy you one of those dog tag necklaces. Let me know off post. Harvey Kravitz




________________________________
From: "AGW1886 at aol.com" <AGW1886 at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 4:53:15 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed

Hello Friends,
  I have a 1923 VictorolaVV-VI that needs a crank, crank hole escutchion, 
good used Exhibition reproducer and ball bearings with the ball bearing cage 
for the arm swivel.
  The crank must be male threaded and the distance from the crank reciever
in the motor to the outside of the case is around 3 inches. 
  Can anyone help me find same?

Sincerely.
Rick A. Jorgensen

GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION
http://www.geaaonline.org
UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KINCENTRE STORIES
http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html
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From ddazer at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 19 17:46:55 2009
From: ddazer at sbcglobal.net (David Dazer)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:46:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
In-Reply-To: <184978.79787.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <452824.21769.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Harvey,
I think your dog tag idea is quite resourceful, but I was able to buy the ball bearings from Applied Technologies, formerly Detroit Ball Bearing.? Perhaps you have a similar outfit near you.
Dave
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, harvey kravitz <harveykravitz at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: harvey kravitz <harveykravitz at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 8:34 PM


Hi Rick, I have the parts that you need, except for the ball bearings. On this machine, you can either use a Victor .Exhibition or a Victrola No. 2. Both are acceptable. Let me know which one you want and I can provide you one. I have the correct crank, but there is a chip in the knob. I have the escutcheon you need but it is dirty. Here is what I use for ball bearings: I separate the little balls from a dog tag necklace. They work great. I have been looking for those ball bearings myself. If you are interested I'll let you have the whole deal( with choice of reproducers) for $100, including S/H/I and delivery confirmation. I will will go on base and buy you one of those dog tag necklaces. Let me know off post. Harvey Kravitz




________________________________
From: "AGW1886 at aol.com" <AGW1886 at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 4:53:15 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed

Hello Friends,
? I have a 1923 VictorolaVV-VI that needs a crank, crank hole escutchion, 
good used Exhibition reproducer and ball bearings with the ball bearing cage 
for the arm swivel.
? The crank must be male threaded and the distance from the crank reciever
in the motor to the outside of the case is around 3 inches. 
? Can anyone help me find same?

Sincerely.
Rick A. Jorgensen

GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION
http://www.geaaonline.org
UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KINCENTRE STORIES
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From cdh041 at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 19 18:39:16 2009
From: cdh041 at earthlink.net (Douglas Houston)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:39:16 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
Message-ID: <410-220091152023916593@earthlink.net>

You can buy a package of 1/16" ball bearings for this phonograph, from a
supplier of ball bearings. The one in Detroit is Detroit ball Bearing, and
there must be other such suppliers in other areas. I don't recall what they
cost, but it was very little, and there were enough bearings for a lot of
Victrolas. If you'd need to order them through the mail, it would be a
simple matter for the supplier.


> [Original Message]
> From: <AGW1886 at aol.com>
> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 11/19/2009 7:58:31 PM
> Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
>
> Hello Friends,
> ? I have a 1923 Victorola VV-VI that needs a crank, crank hole
escutchion, 
> good used Exhibition reproducer and ball bearings with the ball bearing
cage 
> for the arm swivel.
>   The crank must be male threaded and the distance from the crank
reciever 
> in the motor to the outside of the case is around 3 inches. 
>   Can anyone help me find same?
>
> Sincerely.
> Rick A. Jorgensen
>
> GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION
> http://www.geaaonline.org
> UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES
> http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html
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From harveykravitz at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 18:42:53 2009
From: harveykravitz at yahoo.com (harvey kravitz)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:42:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
In-Reply-To: <452824.21769.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <452824.21769.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <779003.57364.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave,  How are you doing? I have done business with you before in past years. I bought a Victrola X table top case and I got that machine working  many years ago. I don't know if you remember or not. I also bought an early Victrola table top XI in oak from you and have since found a matching base cabinet for it. I remember a piece of advice you gave me and I follow it to this day. That was to concentrate on the early Victrolas and Grafonolas because they are getting scarce. That is due to collectors stripping off the parts to restore outside horn machines. Now these early machines are going for pretty good money. I pass that advice to new collectors because outside horn machines are still pretty expensive. Now, I'm clearing out my later internal horn machines in favor for the early ones. I try to go to common places such as hobby shops to find special tool, screws, etc. when I was living in the barracks when I first arrived her, I had a late Victrola
 VI with the same problem. I didn't know where to go, so I went to the uniform shop to get a dog tag chain because mine broke and there was an inspection coming up. Lo and behold, I noticed the little balls were the perfect size and for 25 cents, I had a large supply of them. Keep in touch, Harvey




________________________________
From: David Dazer <ddazer at sbcglobal.net>
To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 5:46:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed


Harvey,
I think your dog tag idea is quite resourceful, but I was able to buy the ball bearings from Applied Technologies, formerly Detroit Ball Bearing.  Perhaps you have a similar outfit near you.
Dave
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, harvey kravitz <harveykravitz at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: harvey kravitz <harveykravitz at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 8:34 PM


Hi Rick, I have the parts that you need, except for the ball bearings. On this machine, you can either use a Victor .Exhibition or a Victrola No. 2. Both are acceptable. Let me know which one you want and I can provide you one. I have the correct crank, but there is a chip in the knob. I have the escutcheon you need but it is dirty. Here is what I use for ball bearings: I separate the little balls from a dog tag necklace. They work great. I have been looking for those ball bearings myself. If you are interested I'll let you have the whole deal( with choice of reproducers) for $100, including S/H/I and delivery confirmation. I will will go on base and buy you one of those dog tag necklaces. Let me know off post. Harvey Kravitz




________________________________
From: "AGW1886 at aol.com" <AGW1886 at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 4:53:15 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed

Hello Friends,
  I have a 1923 VictorolaVV-VI that needs a crank, crank hole escutchion, 
good used Exhibition reproducer and ball bearings with the ball bearing cage 
for the arm swivel.
  The crank must be male threaded and the distance from the crank reciever
in the motor to the outside of the case is around 3 inches. 
  Can anyone help me find same?

Sincerely.
Rick A. Jorgensen

GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION
http://www.geaaonline.org
UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KINCENTRE STORIES
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From lherault at bu.edu  Thu Nov 19 20:18:27 2009
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
In-Reply-To: <184978.79787.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <cab.5591e659.3837427b@aol.com>
	<184978.79787.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901ca6998$82a38360$87ea8a20$@edu>

McMaster Carr sells small ball bearings.  You will have to buy a lifetime
supply though, or get some from APSCO or George Vollema.

Ron L

-----Original Message-----
From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of harvey kravitz
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:34 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed

Hi Rick, I have the parts that you need, except for the ball bearings. On
this machine, you can either use a Victor .Exhibition or a Victrola No. 2.
Both are acceptable. Let me know which one you want and I can provide you
one. I have the correct crank, but there is a chip in the knob. I have the
escutcheon you need but it is dirty. Here is what I use for ball bearings: I
separate the little balls from a dog tag necklace. They work great. I have
been looking for those ball bearings myself. If you are interested I'll let
you have the whole deal( with choice of reproducers) for $100, including
S/H/I and delivery confirmation. I will will go on base and buy you one of
those dog tag necklaces. Let me know off post. Harvey Kravitz




________________________________
From: "AGW1886 at aol.com" <AGW1886 at aol.com>
To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 4:53:15 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed

Hello Friends,
  I have a 1923 VictorolaVV-VI that needs a crank, crank hole escutchion, 
good used Exhibition reproducer and ball bearings with the ball bearing cage

for the arm swivel.
  The crank must be male threaded and the distance from the crank reciever
in the motor to the outside of the case is around 3 inches. 
  Can anyone help me find same?

Sincerely.
Rick A. Jorgensen

GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION
http://www.geaaonline.org
UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KINCENTRE STORIES
http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html
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From Zonophone2006 at aol.com  Fri Nov 20 02:52:01 2009
From: Zonophone2006 at aol.com (Zonophone2006 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:52:01 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Victrola Parts Needed
Message-ID: <bce.5542d3f2.3837ced1@aol.com>

HI
CHECK WITH RON SITKO
HE HAS LOTS OF PARTS
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2009 7:58:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
AGW1886 at aol.com writes:

Hello  Friends,
I have a 1923 Victorola VV-VI that needs a crank, crank  hole escutchion, 
good used Exhibition reproducer and ball bearings with  the ball bearing 
cage 
for the arm swivel.
The crank must be male  threaded and the distance from the crank reciever 
in the motor to the  outside of the case is around 3 inches. 
Can anyone help me find  same?

Sincerely.
Rick A. Jorgensen

GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE  ASSOCIATION
http://www.geaaonline.org
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From jffriedman at verizon.net  Fri Nov 20 17:14:07 2009
From: jffriedman at verizon.net (Jeffrey Friedman)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:14:07 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!
References: <SNT120-W459E1EBF5BF606753C41ABDCA20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <98531FA4F4484F99BEFD51C592D92E9A@JeffsDell>

John,

I sent you two e-mails at the hotmail address, from two separate accounts. 
They did not bounce, so I don't know why you have not received them.  You 
should have one of my email addresses on this reply, also try 
jeff at friedman.com

Sorry to burden the list with this!

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Maeder" <appywander at hotmail.com>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:04 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Attn, Jeff in NYC!


>
> I don't have your email or phone number!  Please contact me!
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From marioaf at optusnet.com.au  Sun Nov 22 14:19:23 2009
From: marioaf at optusnet.com.au (Mario Frazzetto)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:19:23 +0100
Subject: [Phono-L] Wanted: Graphophone Parts
Message-ID: <4B09B8EB.3020702@optusnet.com.au>

Hey Folks,

I'm after original:

1x Crank for model AT Graphophone

1x Reproducer for model B Graphophone

Would love to hear from you if you can help out marioaf at optusnet.com.au

Cheers,
Mario


From klinger at modex.com  Mon Nov 23 18:10:18 2009
From: klinger at modex.com (Bill Klinger)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:10:18 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Awards 2010 -- Call for Nominations
Message-ID: <BF188100406447AFBD381369610EE504@WEKDesktop>

The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections
(ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click
on one of the e-mail addresses at the end of this message.


--- NOMINATIONS for the 2010 ARSC AWARDS FOR EXCELLENCE ---

You are invited to propose candidates for the 2010 ARSC Awards for
Excellence in Historical Recorded Sound Research. Nominations may be made by
anyone, ARSC member or not. The deadline for nominations is January 31,
2010.

Eligible publications include any original printed work -- book, monograph,
article, liner notes, etc. -- first published during 2009. The work may
treat any subject related to recorded sound, but must embody the highest
research standards. It should deal primarily with historical subjects,
pertaining to periods at least ten years prior to the year of publication,
with the exception of works related to modern preservation or playback
technology.

The ARSC Awards typically recognize histories, discographies, or biographies
representing the "Best Research" in these recording genres: Blues or Gospel
Music; Classical Music; Country Music; Folk or Ethnic Music; Jazz; Popular
Music; Rock, Rhythm & Blues, or Soul; and Spoken Word. Additional categories
include: General Research in Recorded Sound; Record Labels or Manufacturers;
Phonographs; and Preservation or Reproduction of Recorded Sound.

The Awards Committee especially welcomes information concerning eligible
journal articles, as well as foreign and small-press publications that might
otherwise be overlooked.


NOMINATIONS for the ARSC LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT and DISTINGUISHED SERVICE
AWARDS

The ARSC Lifetime Achievement Award is presented annually to an individual,
in recognition of a life's work in research and publication.

The ARSC Award for Distinguished Service to Historic Recordings honors a
person who has made outstanding contributions to the field, outside of
published works or discographic research.

Nominations for either of these awards must be received by January 31, 2010.


SUBMISSIONS

Nominations for the ARSC Awards for Excellence must include the name of each
nominee, together with the names of co-authors, the publication title, and
the publisher's name and address. Please submit nominations to ONE of the
Awards Committee Co-Chairs:

Robert Iannapollo
Sibley Music Library
Eastman School of Music
University of Rochester
27 Gibbs St.
Rochester, NY  14604-2504

riannapollo at esm.rochester.edu

OR:

Roberta Freund Schwartz
University of Kansas
Archive of Recorded Sound
434 Murphy Hall
1530 Naismith Dr.
Lawrence, KS  66049

rfschwar at ku.edu

Additional information about ARSC, including a list of past ARSC Award
Winners, may be found at www.arsc-audio.org.



The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres
of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in
bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals --
everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound.



From lherault at bu.edu  Thu Nov 26 08:32:51 2009
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:32:51 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Thanksgiving!
Message-ID: <00b801ca6eb6$4526bbb0$cf743310$@edu>

If the wife looks down on your collecting hobby, remember you can clip a
light to the lid of a Victrola and place the turkey on a slowly rotating
turntable to make a great food warmer. 8-)


Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Ron L


From Srsells1 at aol.com  Mon Nov 30 09:49:17 2009
From: Srsells1 at aol.com (Srsells1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:49:17 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Museum of Recorded sound ( was Johnson Victrola
	Museum Dover, DE)
Message-ID: <c9c.57709c9e.38455f9d@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/9/2009 3:51:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
edisonstuff at comcast.net writes:

I wish  there could be a 'National Museum of Recorded Sound' endowed in 
perpetuity and  set up as a 501(c)3 to collect, display, and interpret the 
development of the  sound recording industry -- accurately and impressively  -- 
once and for  all.  It would be a research center as well.  In another 100 
years,  I think future generations would thank us. 


Catching up on OLD Mauil. There was to be a National Museum of Recorded  
Sound funded by SONY (Before merger and the crash  in CD sales. It was to  be 
in Bldg 17 of the Victor Bldg in Camden. But then Carl Dranoff turned it 
into  Apartments.
 
BTW, I had a great day last Wednesday at the Edison National Historic Park  
(it's new name). Spent about 6 hours there. (You only really need 2 hours 
or  so). Put together a video/slide show which I hope to share.
 
I love what they did with the site.
 
Steve Ramm

From Srsells1 at aol.com  Mon Nov 30 09:51:47 2009
From: Srsells1 at aol.com (Srsells1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:51:47 EST
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia napkin cuff "fair" cylinders
Message-ID: <c98.5dbaba75.38456033@aol.com>

I've got ONE of those cylinders It is - I seem to remember - Byron G.  
Harlan making a personal cylinder for a customer. It is "voice dated". Nauck had 
 a similar one in his catalog a few years ago.
 
Steve

From appywander at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 30 12:00:14 2009
From: appywander at hotmail.com (John Maeder)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Museum of Recorded sound ( was Johnson
	Victrola	Museum Dover, DE)
In-Reply-To: <c9c.57709c9e.38455f9d@aol.com>
References: <c9c.57709c9e.38455f9d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W2A594D5341D3148F24ED2DC970@phx.gbl>


Yeah, I know about that. There was supposed to be one near the Hollywood Bowl back in the 1960's too.   I'm looking to the future though, not the past.

> From: Srsells1 at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:49:17 -0500
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Museum of Recorded sound ( was Johnson Victrola	Museum Dover, DE)
> 
>  
> In a message dated 11/9/2009 3:51:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> edisonstuff at comcast.net writes:
> 
> I wish  there could be a 'National Museum of Recorded Sound' endowed in 
> perpetuity and  set up as a 501(c)3 to collect, display, and interpret the 
> development of the  sound recording industry -- accurately and impressively  -- 
> once and for  all.  It would be a research center as well.  In another 100 
> years,  I think future generations would thank us. 
> 
> 
> Catching up on OLD Mauil. There was to be a National Museum of Recorded  
> Sound funded by SONY (Before merger and the crash  in CD sales. It was to  be 
> in Bldg 17 of the Victor Bldg in Camden. But then Carl Dranoff turned it 
> into  Apartments.
>  
> BTW, I had a great day last Wednesday at the Edison National Historic Park  
> (it's new name). Spent about 6 hours there. (You only really need 2 hours 
> or  so). Put together a video/slide show which I hope to share.
>  
> I love what they did with the site.
>  
> Steve Ramm
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