[Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem

Fri May 1 10:25:23 PDT 2009

I have heard white lithium grease is too light.

> From: cdh041 at earthlink.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem
> Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 00:48:54 -0400
> 
> I've been watching this thread, and dagnab it, I still have my aged mind
> mde up that sumpin' is together bass-ackwards. The only way to ever find
> out is to take the thing apart again and re-construct the assembly. I
> haven't studied the effects of having a spring in backwards, so my theories
> may not mean anything. You realize that this thing is going to have me
> losing sleep. I'll need to swallow a Melatonin tonight just to have peace!
> 
> You can bet your sweet bippy that, when I reassemble the 4 spring motor for
> a VV-XIV I have, that I'll ponder over every part of that thing. BTW, I
> have heard that white lithium grease is good stuff for these motors. Have
> you ever heard otherwise?
> 
> There's a spare 4 spring motor laying around here someplace, and I'd even
> use it to check on myself when I put the other one together. 
> 
> Seriously, Ron, you wouldn't have to remove any springs from the barrels if
> you want to check on yourself. If you just remove the barrels from the
> shafts and the hubs, you can see readily, which way the spring winds up in
> each end of the barrel. That way, you'll prove conclusively, that I'm
> wrong. 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
> > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Date: 4/30/2009 11:46:43 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem
> >
> > They did, indeed feel stiff and winding seems normal. It is gear
> reduction
> > winding on this type motor, not direct so winding is easy.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Bob
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:05 PM
> > To: Antique Phonograph List
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem
> >
> > When you put the springs back did they feal realy stiff? Does it seem
> to 
> > have good tension when you wind it? I don't know if this will help, but
> I 
> > would let it run down completely and then count the number of turns to
> get 
> > it fully wound. Then ask someone with a Credenza with a good 4 spring
> motor
> >
> > to do the same and compare the results I didn't see Georges sugestion. 
> > What was it?
> > Bob
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ron L" <lherault at bu.edu>
> > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem
> >
> >
> > > The owner of the machine said that even with the thump, it played more 
> > > than
> > > three sides. However, the thump was so bad at one point that the needle
> > > jumped. I winder if it was so bound up that one or more of the springs
> > > acted as if they were smaller/under more tension and so powered the
> motor
> > > longer but not the full 20 min. I also suspected that the springs may 
> > > have
> > > 'softened' over time but I will try George Vollema's gear suggestion 
> > > before
> > > I do anything else.
> > >
> > > Ron L
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] 
> > > On
> > > Behalf Of Bob
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:56 AM
> > > To: Antique Phonograph List
> > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem
> > >
> > > Ron,
> > > Did you wind it fully and play it before you changed the grease to
> > > eliminate the thumping? If so how long did it play? A good four spring
> > > motor should run about 20 minutes. If it didn't, it's possible that the
> > > springs have lost some temper and are weak. The only other
> possibility 
> > > is
> > >
> > > a bad record or needle but I'm sure you thought of that.
> > > Bob
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Ron L" <lherault at bu.edu>
> > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:47 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem
> > >
> > >
> > >>I do have an electric C. This is a repair for someone else. The neat
> > >> thing about the clip end/bent end springs is that it is impossible to
> > >> assemble them into the cans in the wrong direction. It is easy to
> mess
> > >> them up when you have rivets in the cans and holes on the springs. 
> They
> > >> do
> > >> not wind up, and in fact will distort the spring centers, with the real
> > >> potential for breaking them.
> > >>
> > >> Ron L
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org
> [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org]
> > >> On
> > >> Behalf Of Douglas Houston
> > >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:05 AM
> > >> To: Antique Phonograph List
> > >> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem
> > >>
> > >> This is a sticky one. I have a long shot thought. Victor has a
> procedure
> > >> in
> > >> the service notes, that tells you whichn spring to load in the barrel, 
> > >> and
> > >> its direction of winding.Is it possible that one of the springs could 
> > >> have
> > >> nbeen installed in reverse? I'm not even sure if the motor could be 
> > >> nwound
> > >> if that were done, but as I've said, it's a long shot.
> > >>
> > >> I have one of those 4 spring jobs apart now, and I've got to study the
> > >> thing a lot before I re-pack the springs.
> > >>
> > >> (Maybe if you got one of those electric Credenzas like I have, you
> > >> wouldn't
> > >> have this mess!!!!)
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> Doug. Houston
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> [Original Message]
> > >>> From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu>
> > >>> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>;
> > >> <phonolist at yahoogroups.com>
> > >>> Date: 4/29/2009 10:55:02 PM
> > >>> Subject: [Phono-L] 4 spring credenza motor problem
> > >>>
> > >>> Hokay, list experts. I need help. The original problem was thumping
> > >>> springs. So, you take them out (done that many times) clean them, and
> > >>> reinstall/relube. This should be pretty straight forward. And these
> are
> > >> the
> > >>> ones with the clip outer ends and bent over inner ends. They only go
> > >>> together one way. It winds up fine but only plays 4 sides before it
> > >> starts
> > >>> to loose power and slow down when you try to play the 5th side.
> > >>> Sometimes
> > >>> it makes a bit of a scraping sound but nothing is hitting the
> turntable.
> > >>> What have I missed?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> Ron L
> > >>>
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