[Phono-L] Amberola 60 and 80

[Steven Medved]

Thomas A Edison was thrifty.  In order to get rid of C-150 cabinets and amberola mechanism he paired them up to make the 80.  The 60 was a London 1 cabinet with a 50 mechanism.  They used the Diamond D reproducer which was an Edisonic type diamond C.

Have you heard of the Wooledge 30?  It was a NZ dealers  attempt to make a portable 30.

The 60 and 80 was for export only, Edison sent obsolete things overseas where hopefully they would sell better than at home.  The 60 and 80 have been found in England, Oz, and NZ.  

I will send you some photos off list.

Steve

> From: rvuill at comcast.net
> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:42:27 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] reproducer research
> 
> I've never heard of an Amberola 60 or 80, only 30, 50, and 75.  What are4 
> they?  Thanks
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Medved" <steve_noreen at msn.com>
> To: "Phono-l" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:54 AM
> Subject: [Phono-L] reproducer research
> 
> 
> >
> > What I am looking for are the serial numbers from Edison model O 
> > reproducers, especially those around 5000
> > and below and any above 60000.  I am trying to get an estimate on how many
> > of the all brass top O's were made.  I am also interested getting the 
> > serial
> > number from a heavy weight diamond B.  The extra weight attachment was
> > made universal so it fit either the diamond D or the heavy weight B.
> >
> >
> >
> > Below is a short history of the large tops.  If anyone would like any
> > photos please let me know.  I have included photos of the heavy weight
> > attachment.  This particular one came from an Amberola 80's diamond D
> > reproducer.  I only have the photo, but I would be interested in
> > knowing if anyone knows of any Amberola 60's or 80's.  I know of three
> > 80's, one that was on eBay, one in New Zealand, and one in the US.  If
> > requested information will be kept confidential.
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > Around 3500 was an all brass top, 5080 is iron and brass, 12557 is iron 
> > and
> > brass, 13156 is pot metal, around 25000 the N joins in, around 27000 the 
> > tops
> > says TAE, 41,000 the early dome and trowel weight joins in, around 47000 
> > the
> > late dome joins in, by 50,000 the late dome is predominant, around 65000 
> > the
> > last O is made, 73,000 is the highest N I have seen.  Then the A series
> > starts and A350 is the highest one I know of.
> >
> >
> >
> > First N was round weight flat top, around 46000 the trowel O makes short
> > appearance, by 50000 the bent weight N appeared, there are five varieties, 
> > in
> > March 1913 the N-56 appears.  It has both N and R & S serial numbers.
> >
> >
> >
> > The large top was strictly O until around 27000.  When the R and S
> > appeared the large tops were eventually made universal so the large top 
> > could
> > be made into an O, bent weight N, R or later and S reproducers.  To
> > accomplish this three holes were tapped and drilled on the bottom of the 
> > body
> > 1-64 that way one hole could be used for the large top hinge block or the 
> > three
> > screws that held on the shoe adapter that allows the large top to become 
> > an R
> > or S.  A hole was drilled and tapped 0-110 for the limit pin of the
> > O.  If you look at an R or S you will see it is just a large top with a
> > shoe adapter, remove the shoe adapter and if the top is not swollen it 
> > will fit
> > in the large carriage.  The early R and S reproducers have a brass shoe
> > adapter, the late ones are pot metal.  The O is the only large top that
> > was not always pot metal, this includes the diamond B and C.  For the
> > first two years the diamond C had a brass sound tube but the top was 
> > always pot
> > metal.  307 is the earliest one I have ever worked on.  By 50000 the
> > large tops have a stable pot metal that some have thought was brass.
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