[Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale

Bob rvuill at comcast.net
Fri Apr 10 05:52:39 PDT 2009 

I too think the eBay PayPal only policy stinks.  But I can't understand why 
you as a buyer object to paying that way.  It's certainly easier, faster, 
cheaper and safer for buyers.  The sellers are the ones that get nailed.  I 
still buy on ebay but haven't sold there since they initiated this policy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "harvey kravitz" <harveykravitz at yahoo.com>
To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale


>I no longer buy from ebay. I am Phonofreak56 and I have over 1600 pos. 
>feed-backs. I got booted off ebay(no great loss) because I refused to pay 
>by pay pal. Here's what happened: There were 2 newbie sellers that didn't 
>mention pay pal only or required. I win the items and immediately ask the 
>sellers for their address so I can send payment. No response came to me. A 
>few days later, I get an email asking why I haven't paid. I respond that I 
>need an address so I can mail payment, and pay pal only or required was not 
>stated. A few days pass and I get two strikes for non payment. I sent an 
>email saying that pay pal was not mentioned in the auctions. I get a 
>"canned" answer from someone who doesn't know English. My question was 
>skirted and avoided. The straw that broke the camel's back went like this. 
>I won a really nice VV50 with a 3 digit serial number. I paid for the item 
>and had it in my possession. Then I get a third strike and booted off. Like 
>before, I
> emailed ebay and the typical response like before. The buyers have no 
> rights and it sucks being at the mercy of an unscrupulous seller. They 
> will take the word of a newbie with 20 pos. feed-backs over some one with 
> over 1600. Go figure. Now I buy from fellow collectors and from shows. 
> F**K ebay. I have no use for it. I notice that ITG classified are getting 
> bigger before the ebay craze. Thanks guys for allowing me to sound off. 
> Harvey Kravitz, Phonofreak56
> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Mike Stitt <smstitt at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 2:37 PM
>
> Al,
> This list is one! Phonographs shows another. My real point was that some 
> of
> us with really nice stuff (me for one) don't sell often but like John do 
> so
> from time to time. In the past you just put your item up and tell folks MO
> or check or ???. Now it's PayPal or nothing. As someone who always felt
> eBay
> was a good venue but rarely sell it is not attractive for me and perhaps
> others if you need a Paypal acct (merchant account?). This may lead to 
> some
> nice items *not* being on eBay. Not all of us are dealers. Further more,
> fees now can range up to 15% I'm told. The whole idea of eBay was that
> collectors could join together (Pez, remember) to sell their items. It is
> the social side of the hobby that brings new blood to the table to buy 
> those
> common machines as well. Then they turn into advanced collectors.
> Omar knew this as eBay always tried to have a "community."
>
> Forcing Paypal I suggest will keep some of us casual sellers away. I have
> found another effective venue is calling people up and asking if they want
> buy a phongraph.
>
>
> Well they say too much money, so you put it on eBay and they buy it for
> more...Bwahahahaha
> I see your point however. Why not let it be the market place is was and
> should be?
>
> Hey Al how the heck you been. Will I see you at Salem?
> Mike
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Albert <cenfin at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike:  What other venues are there?  Advanced collectors are not going to
>> buy common machines, or if they do they wont pay retail..  I  too hate
> Ebay,
>> but I love to sell machines there because I have always got great prices
> and
>> they sell quickly.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Stitt"
> <smstitt at gmail.com>
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Suckerpunched by eBay & Vic III for sale
>>
>>
>>
>>  I thought we had talked about this here. I may be wrong. When eBay 
>> forces
>>> PayPal they collect a % on shipping fees as well. I thought I had
> bemoaned
>>> the fact that many collectors who are not dealers but very
> "casual"
>>> sellers
>>> will find "taking PayPal" way to much of a burden for an
> occasional sell.
>>> We
>>> collectors tend to fuel eBay with some very nice stuff when we decide
> to
>>> let
>>> go. eBay will effectively drive away sellers with good stuff and
> buyers as
>>> well. I don't mean it will doom eBay and super rare stuff will
> still show
>>> up......with the flea market stuff. The middle road people may find it
>>> easier to sell in another venue. I will not establish a sellers PayPal
>>> account for the few nice pieces I wish sell each year. I've been
> an eBay
>>> member since 1997 and my feedback is a whopping 107. I see many phono
>>> items
>>> in the last few months for sale on this list. Keep it up. Hey no fees
> and
>>> you are dealing with people you know...sort of.... Collecting is fun
> when
>>> it
>>> is part of a social network, at least to me it is..
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Abe Feder <abefeder1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>  John,
>>>> You can take ck's you just do not put it in your add. If you
> not a very
>>>> small number say "Pay Pal account required" If they do I
> by pass them. I
>>>> send them in ask a question if they take cks or cc and they always
> say
>>>> yes.Ebay really messed up my account when they hit me with
> increased
>>>> fee's
>>>> that I just did not know about. After three months of trying to
> get it
>>>> square-I just do not do pay pal.
>>>> Abe Feder
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:04 AM, john robles
> <john9ten at pacbell.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >  Okay, it finally happend. Afte defending eBay (mentally if
> not
>>>> physically
>>>> > on this board) for a long time, I got my comeupance today.
> Two days ago
>>>> > I
>>>> > put several items on eBa for sale, including a nice Vic III
> that I >
>>>> have.
>>>> I
>>>> > am DESPERATELY trying to raise $2800 in a short time to buy a
> harp to
>>>> > replace mine (which developed structural problems).  I need
> to raise >
>>>> this
>>>> > money SOON!  So I listed some phonoe items that were near and
> dear to >
>>>> my
>>>> > heart, including the III. You may remember what I went
> through trying >
>>>> to
>>>> get
>>>> > a back bracket for it.
>>>> > So this morning, I find that eBay has REMOVED my items
> because I did >
>>>> the
>>>> > unholy deed of saying I accept Paypal and personal checks
> (held for
>>>> > clearance). Apparently you cannot accept mone order or
> personal checks
>>>> > on
>>>> > ebay any more. I didn't know this because I don't
> read every piece of
>>>> > claptrap that ebay sends me. I use the Turbolister to create
> my >
>>>> listings,
>>>> > and it caugh that I offered to accept money orders, and it
> gave me an
>>>> error
>>>> > code on that. So I changed it. BUT it did NOT give me an
> error code on
>>>> the
>>>> > term personal checks.  So I guess some grunt at ebay whose
> job it is to
>>>> > check such things found it and pulled m auctions. I had $460
> in bids on
>>>> the
>>>> > III when it was pulled. They sent some sort of email to my
> bidders
>>>> telling
>>>> > them the items were being pulled. I was FURIOUS. I wrote them
> an angry
>>>> > letter, and they basicall said too bad. They were nice about
> it, bt at
>>>> the
>>>> > end of the letter it said I should not respond because they
> would not
>>>> > receive it. Nice
>>>> >  and caring.  Anyhoe I relisted most of the stuff, and the
> Vic III is
>>>> item
>>>> > number 110374580209.  I am so desperate to raise the cash
> that my buy >
>>>> it
>>>> now
>>>> > on this item is only $1995, which is less money than I have
> into it. So
>>>> if
>>>> > you want a deal, there it is.  As for ebay, they disguise
> their >
>>>> corporate
>>>> > greed behid the veil of 'protecting their sellers from
> fraud'. They own
>>>> > Paypal, so of course they want you to use it exclusively.
> Arrgh. Thanks
>>>> for
>>>> > leting me vent. And thanks for reading this far.
>>>> > John RObles
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