[Phono-L] Thanks Givings

[Steve Andersen]

The hornet's nest was the World Trade Towers and most of us are the  
hornets protecting the sheep like you and Peter!
On Nov 27, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Robert Wright wrote:

> Hear, hear, Peter.  Thanks for that.  Our military deserves our  
> undying gratitude, no question, but they also deserve their lives to  
> not be wasted. Here's a foriegn policy that's worked for 4.5 billion  
> years:  don't want to get stung?  Stop poking the hornets' nest.   
> We're not there because they want to kill us -- they want to kill us  
> because we're there.
>
> But I digress.  This is neither the time nor place for such  
> diatribes and debates, but as long as we're mentioning things we're  
> thankful for, I'm certainly thankful for our military, all military  
> past, present and future, and I'm thankful to be a part of this  
> group of collectors.  I learn so much from you all, not only from  
> your phono wisdom, but in many cases from your kindness and  
> generosity as well.  I hope everyone has a fabulous day today.
>
> Best to all,
> Robert
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fraser" <pjfraser at alamedanet.net 
> >
>> ok, folks, enough jingoism - please.
>>
>> we're all grateful to the veterans and others who have put  
>> themselves  in harm's way on our behalf, but can we keep it  
>> separate from the  often ill-conceived (or worse) policies that  
>> created the harm in the  first place?
>>
>> as for me, i'm thankful and proud that we've democratically  
>> replaced a dangerous crackpot and avoided the continuation of his  
>> foolhardy policies, and now have an opportunity to restore the lost  
>> respect and regain the lost trust the US once enjoyed on the world  
>> stage.  and through that we'll regain more safety than any number  
>> of troops could ever secure.
>>
>> to get back on topic, while also giving an example of how some  
>> things never change, now i'm going to pull out my copy of James  
>> Gerard's  record, "Loyalty," on the Nation's Forum label.  he was  
>> the US  ambassador to Germany prior to the US entry to WW1.
>>
>> you can listen, too;  just click here:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5vuotg
>>
>> here's a transcript:
>>
>> "Loyalty"
>>
>> I know that it is hard for Americans to realize the magnitude of  
>> the  war in which we are involved. We have problems in this war no  
>> other  nations have. Fortunately, the great majority of American  
>> citizens of  German descent have, in this great crisis of our  
>> history, shown  themselves splendidly loyal to our flag. Everyone  
>> had a right to  sympathize with any warring nation. But now that we  
>> are in the war  there are only two sides, and the time has come  
>> when every citizen  must declare himself American --  or traitor!
>>
>> We must disappoint the Germans who have always believed that the  
>> German-Americans here would risk their property, their children's   
>> future, and their own neck, and take up arms for the Kaiser. The   
>> Foreign Minister of Germany once said to me "your country does not   
>> dare do anything against Germany, because we have in your country   
>> 500,000 German reservists who will rise in arms against your   
>> government if you dare to make a move against Germany." Well, I  
>> told  him that that might be so, but that we had 500,001 lamp posts  
>> in this  country, and that that was where the reservists would be  
>> hanging the  day after they tried to rise. And if there are any  
>> German-Americans  here who are so ungrateful for all the benefits  
>> they have received  that they are still for the Kaiser, there is  
>> only one thing to do with  them. And that is to hog-tie them, give  
>> them back the wooden shoes and  the rags they landed in, and ship  
>> them back to the Fatherland.
>>
>> I have travelled this year over all the United States. Through the  
>> Alleghenies, the White Mountains, and the Catskills, the Rockies  
>> and  the Bitterroot Mountains, the Cascades, the Coast Range, and  
>> the  Sierras. And in all these mountains, there is no animal that  
>> bites and  kicks and squeals and scratches, that would bite and  
>> squeal and  scratch equal to a fat German-American, if you  
>> commenced to tie him up  and told him that he was on his way back  
>> to the Kaiser.
>>
>> and now that i've got that out of my system, i'm going to go make a  
>> couple of pumpkin pies.
>>
>> best to all of you, no matter what.
>>
>> -- peter 
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