OK. Here's another REALLY odd record I found. It's black wax, in pieces, but held together by wrapped paper and a string. On the paper is pencilled: "Thomas Morgan." When you look at the record, on the top is hand-scribed: "....and others. Carnahan Record" (the first part of the top is broken off). In spots there are very fine lines, like an attempt to record, but not well-done. INSIDE: there is a 1" carboard collar at the top and a 1" cardboard collar at the bottom. The part in between (inside) is another piece of cardboard, looking like re-used cardboard, partially printed with "...-aundered shirt each day...for any occasion...by the cleanliness and..." I can't take a photo of the inside because it's very difficult to see without spotlight and angling. This sounds like someone tried to make their own wax record, using a cardboard center!? And, if so, does anyone recognize the name?? Also, how common would it have been for folks to make their own wax records...any ideas? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: AllenAmet at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cylinders not Edison, but whose?/ In a message dated 3/22/2008 7:49:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com writes: were put in boxes which did NOT say Federal but instead said 'Everlasting Indestructible' Cylinder Record and were colored either green for 2 minute cyls or red for 4-minute cyls. =========== as Mike says, the complete picture is a little more complicated. I have, e.g., an old style Indestructible box and cylinder with a "Federal" Mailing label pasted on the outside. The trademark for Federal occurred in 1917, if I recall. Some of these Ind's also have 'Federal' in the name of the group performing. Those red and green Everlasting Indestructible boxes, with no obvious parentage or addresses are tricky. Do they date from the period when Columbia gave up its exclusive distribution contract with Albany Ind (1912-1914)? Or do they date from ca 1914-1917, when M-W gave up on the US Everlastings? Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org