I'm still reading online articles. Lambert was put out of business after numerous infringement lawsuits by Edison. It's said that when Lambert finally folded (records produced 1901-1905), TAE got the patents to Lamberts' celluloid records. However, he didn't introduce the celluloid until 1912. This suggests to me that these "other" companies who made celluloid cylinders kind of snuck in (1908-1912 generally) while all these lawsuits were going on, and before TAE put out his first EBA. Does this sound about right? And how did Indestructible manage to keep making records until 1922, without TAE eating them up too? :) PS: I read that Lamberts were pure celluloid, no liner or metal frame. So that question is answered. ----- Original Message ----- From: AllenAmet at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cylinders not Edison, but whose?/ In a message dated 3/22/2008 7:49:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mfkhanchalian at altrionet.com writes: were put in boxes which did NOT say Federal but instead said 'Everlasting Indestructible' Cylinder Record and were colored either green for 2 minute cyls or red for 4-minute cyls. =========== as Mike says, the complete picture is a little more complicated. I have, e.g., an old style Indestructible box and cylinder with a "Federal" Mailing label pasted on the outside. The trademark for Federal occurred in 1917, if I recall. Some of these Ind's also have 'Federal' in the name of the group performing. Those red and green Everlasting Indestructible boxes, with no obvious parentage or addresses are tricky. Do they date from the period when Columbia gave up its exclusive distribution contract with Albany Ind (1912-1914)? Or do they date from ca 1914-1917, when M-W gave up on the US Everlastings? Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org