I'm reading an online article by Tim Gracyk who mentions the Lamberts as patented in 1900 and 1902. That they originally came in pink, but also white and darker colors such as brown or black. How can you tell if it might be a Lambert instead? By "migrated"... do you mean that because the Lamberts were made only 1900-1902, others took up the patent?? The article also says: "Unusual performances are on U-S Everlasting cylinders (all are celluloid). Elsie Baker sings "Till The Sands of the Desert Grow Cold" on U-S Everlasting 1591. The song was otherwise cut by bass singers only. This is also on Indestructible 3308--the two cylinder companies were separate but after the U. S. Phonograph Company folded, some of its U-S Everlasting molds went to the Indestructible company in Albany, which pressed records from the molds and sold them as their own." These are confusing companies! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: AllenAmet at aol.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cylinders not Edison, but whose?/ In a message dated 3/22/2008 6:44:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ger55 at comcast.net writes: First, Why is there a patent date of 1902 on ALL of the records ============= The July 29, 1902 patent (by Messer) is explained in detail in PHP. It was originally used on Lambert celluloid cylinders, and then migrated over to the Albany Indestructibles (Oxford too). Those were first placed on sale in Nov 1907 and lasted until around 1922, when the factory burned down. Do not confuse them with US Everlasting's which had a different patent (Varian Harris) and no metal rings inside. Those were sold from 1910 - ca. 1914, also in both 2 and 4-min types. The Lakeside brand was used by Montgomery Ward. Allen _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org