Bruce, George This is a "late" Home model dating to around 1903-05. It is not a model C. Model C's cases look similar to a Home but have an earlier motor type (Model C cranks come out of the case on the centerline of the turntable vs. a 1" offset on the Home). This is also easily identified as a "late" model Home because the base trim configuration was simplified partway through the model run or production. Earlier Homes had case and base trim like the model C. Most Home models have the script wording on the front "Home" and the Universal Talking Machine Mfr. Co. decal on the back. Later models of the Home are often found with the front decal missing (never installed). Model C's have no decals anywhere and have the white celluloid tag on the back under the crank stating Zon-o-phone and National Gram-o-phone Corporation + address. Bottom of the celluloid tag has Universal Talking Machine Co. If anyone on the list is interested, I have a very early Home model with Home script writing on front and a white celluloid tag on the back. 100% original and 100% correct machine right down to the Concert V reproducer and 24" horn set-up. It has a very early Home serial number which explains the white celluloid tag....very cool machine. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "BruceY" <Bruce78rpm at comcast.net> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine > Thanks for the info, by the way, I only referred to the Machine that way, > because the word Zonophone is not listed in the Auction anywhere by the > obviously unastute Auction/Seller, who refers to it only as a Universal > Talking Machine. I thought it might be some kind of ultra-rare, undiscovered > ultra-rare animal. > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gpaul2000 at aol.com> > To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org> > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine > > >> >> This appears to be a Type "C" equipped with larger support/traveling arms >> to accommodate a larger horn (but not the horn that's currently on it).? I >> never heard of a "Frank Seamans pre Zonophone Machine" other than the >> Gibson Gramophone, the Montross Berliner, or perhaps a United States >> Talking Machine, and this is not any of those. >> >> George Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BruceY <Bruce78rpm at comcast.net> >> To: phonolist at yahoogroups.com >> Cc: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org> >> Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 9:06 pm >> Subject: [Phono-L] Universal Talking Machine >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This has got to be an exceptionally early Frank Seamans pre Zonophone >> Machine? >> does anyone know what model this is? does it look all original?? This >> fellow has >> a live auction going on here. It even has a buyers premium of 22.5%. There >> is >> not even a full description of the items as to condition etc. This is >> totally >> Buyer Beware!! >> >> http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330219604163&rd=1 >> >> >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > >