http://members.aol.com/tinfoilphono/forgeries.htm TAE signatures fall into two groups, the ones of his in calligraphy and his informal ones. Some you look at and can tell they are not his, others it takes an expert which leaves me out. Rene's article provides the skill to be able to discard the obvious fakes which does help a great deal. Steve> > > How can you tell it is not real?> > > > Ron L> > > > You simply ask Rene Rondeau !> > <g>> > Dennis >