In this case, the person who has to make the first move is the high bidder when the auction was closed down. Then eBay will have to act. No one else has 'standing" to do anything substantive. As I posted easier, if I wee that high bidder I would be making plans to start raising hell Monday morning. I can not blame potential buyers for attempting to get a good deal by going around the eBay rules. Even if you consider it ethically questionable you are into the "everybody else is doing it" problem. Does not make it right but does explain the actions. Bottom line is that if the high bidder does nothing then this will continue. If eBay and the sellers who pull these stunts take a couple of big public hits it will stop. These things go on at liv farm auctions also, it is not just the online auctions that have these problems. Robert Wright wrote: >> There is an existing contract between eBay and the seller as soon as >> the auction is listed. It is a part of the TOS and the selling >> agreement. If you have not read them you just might want to do that. > > > Actually Rich, that's exactly what I said: "The contract that's broken > is between the seller and eBay, but like it's been said, that would be > very hard to enforce/prove/etc." > > Disobeying the TOS gets your account pulled. Big deal if doing so makes > you an additional grand on a $4000 auction AND avoids eBay fees. He'd > just close that account and set up a new one. eBay would go under if it > tried to chase down and prosecute every example of this kind of thing. > Ain't gonna happen. > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >