My Pathe' Actuelle fitted with a diamond stylus plays DD's quite nicely! John > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:37:57 -0400 > From: lherault at bu.edu > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > > Right, Bob. I would not really advocate playing a Diamond Disc regularly on > anything but a DD machine. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Bob > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:07 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > > Ron, > What you said is correct; however, the head still had to be driven by > the record groove. This would create an uneven lateral pressure on the > record groove and probably affected sound quality as well as record wear. > The ultona arm also had a weight mounted parallel to the arm that could be > moved back and forth to adjust the weight of the reproducer. I'm assuming > it was designed to approximate the weight of a diamond disc reproducer as > the majority of vertical records that were played on it were probably Edison > > diamond disks. > RMV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron L" <lherault at bu.edu> > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:07 PM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > > > >I don't have an Ultona head, I only have the simpler one sided one. The > > actual Ultona, as I remember it has a needle bar that looks just like a DD > > arrangement. I believe the head can swivel as well to mimic DD geometry. > > > > Ron L > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] > > On > > Behalf Of Douglas Houston > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:01 PM > > To: Antique Phonograph List > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > > > > Ron: Of all people on this planet, I'm probably the least to comment > > intelligently about playing DD's on anything but an Edison phonograph. > > But, > > since, for instance, the Brunswick Ultona head plays a DD, and the disc > > carries the stylus across the record, it does so on an angle not done on > > an Edison player. The modulaion of the groove is then read at an angle. > > Since Edison's stylus reads the modulation on a 90 degree angle to the > > disc, > > does this degrade the quality (fidelity) of the recording, and would the > > playing angle have a detrimental effect to the disc, for the same number > > of > > plays? I'm drawing from memory, because I haven't owned a Brunswick > > phonograph for some years, but I seem to remember that the B'wick head > > plays the DD at an angle, as any oher of the "twist around" boxes did. > > And, > > by the way, while the Brunswick phono I had was in very good shape, the DD > > > I > > played on it sounded far poorer than it had sounded on a DD player I once > > had. > > > > I'm assuming of course, that the stylus pressure of the Ultona (or any > > other > > head) would be similar to that of a DD player. We all know that Edison > > frowned upon anything but his players to play his records, but was there > > any > > technical substance to this, or was it simply Madison Avenue hype? > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Ron L <lherault at bu.edu> > >> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org> > >> Date: 4/10/2008 12:07:50 PM > >> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > >> > >> Well, you can't use a DD reproducer on anything but a DD. You could use > >> a > >> suitable adaptor in place of the DD reproducer, however to play another > >> brand vertical record on the DD machine. > >> > >> Diamond discs are not designed to propel the arm across the record. > > However > >> if the machine is nice and level and the arm is very free swinging, it > > will > >> work. I don't know if there is anything to be gained or lost sonically. > >> > >> Ron L > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] > > On > >> Behalf Of james n. vandrisse > >> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:50 AM > >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org > >> Subject: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > >> > >> (J.M.J.) > >> > >> What would the pro and cons be regarding the playing of other company > >> vertical records on a C-19 or C-250 machine? And what about playing DDs > >> on > >> any other machines that the sound box can be turned to play vertical > > records > >> with a saphire stylus? Are there any possible damages to records to be > > done, > >> or any real fidelty or presences increased especially if playing Pathe, > >> Lyric, Okeh, or other verticals through the 250 horn? I would like to try > >> this on my machines but am waiting for any advise. Maybe I am best to > >> just > >> continue to play records, as I have been, on the proper machines? > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org