Part of this new hidden bidder ID policy is revealed when a bidder search is done. Formerly, one could obtain a history of recent bidding activity of any particular bidder for both completed and in-process auctions. This search enabled one to see the specific bidding activities for both items won and not won. The new policy enables a searcher to see only the finFINAL PRICE of auctions WON by that particular bidder - and no other bidding activities, whatsoever. From the point of view of the ebay community at-large, bidding histories have, essentially, evaporated for items over $ 200. I believe one of the key points that concerned ebay members are trying to make is this: I DON'T CARE WHO THE BIDDER IS OR WHAT HIS IP ADDRESS IS, BUT I DO CARE TO KNOW WHAT HE DOES. He may shill or he may not shill, but don't take away some of the information that, quite possibly, might help me make my own decision in the auction process. If it is good information for auctions less than $ 200, is it not be even better information for auctions more than $ 200? -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of wilenzick at bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:47 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! I agree completely. It's very stupid and useless. I find it helpful to see exactly who is bidding, and this adds a certain amount of enjoyment to the eBay "game." If eBay wanted to eliminate a lot of problems, they could simply do away with the "2nd chance offer". Hiding the names of the bidders will certainly increase the number of shill bidders. The change is very ill advised and one that eBay will certainly regret. I have heard that Google is considering getting into the auction business, and if they do then eBay will be in real trouble. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Melvin" <dan at old-phonographs.com> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! > Well, for one; I try not to purposely bid against some of my other phono > friends that live in my same town. It isn't that there is a problem > bidding against someone you know, I just choose to not do it as a courtesy > to my friends. This change eliminates that possibility. I also know who > many of the real phono ebay users are. It makes me feel better when legit > folks are bidding. And, I see no value to anyone in this change. It's > stupid. > > Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich" <rich-mail at octoxol.com> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay! > > >> The bidder information is available to the seller. It is ONLY converted >> to Bidder 1 etc. for the other >> bidders. >> >> I might be missing something here, so please clarify, if you would. What >> exactly does knowing the >> bidders actual eBay user IDs provide to you as regards "protection" that >> Bidder 1 etc. does not? >> >> Rich >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:25:07 -0500, Ken Danckaert wrote: >> >>>It seems to me that it will not do much good to discuss this only on >>>Phono-L. You all need to state your displeasure to Ebay itself. That >>>is not an easy task since Ebay makes it very difficult to send something >>>directly to them. If anyone knows a good way to send them your comments >>>please share it with the rest of us. I have commented on the new policy >>>on one of the chat boards but there is no way to know if Ebay pays much >>>attention to that. I make heavy use of the bidder info to protect >>>myself as both a buyer and seller. Ebay has shown themselves to be >>>incapable of protecting the buyers and sellers from the abuses that >>>have been discussed here. I believe the policy is purely profit based >>>and they could care less about the rest of us. Unless they can >>>guarantee protection to buyers and sellers from the abuses that are >>>rampent on Ebay, then they should not remove about the only way we have >>>to protect ourselves. >> >>>Ken >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org