hello john et all i have a bzh yes they are columbia and on the bottom it does say hornless machine its not a very common machine but also its not all that valuable best to all zono In a message dated 12/30/2007 9:28:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, appywander at hotmail.com writes: I've been emailing back and forth with the eBay seller of a BZH Hornless. I've provided him with all the information I can give him about these machines, which isn't much, and largely educated guesses. He is under the impression that BZH was the company that made them, while I'm certain they are a Columbia product. I don't believe they were in the regular catalog, so where they made for a re-seller? What year exactly? Thanks, John _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)