<<I have been able to point out specific features to other people about these creations (partly by using Loran's writings and also using my own practical knowledge) and have helped more than a few people learn about what to look for and how to identify frauds.>> Just another peculiar incident which has now happened to me twice, and then I gave up trying to make people wiser about crapophones. And of course increasing my confusion as to how the human mind works! :-) I had seen a crapophone on a stand at a flea market I was attending, for around $500. A few rounds later there was a family standing in front of it heavily debating wether to buy it or not. Very discreetly I explained to the husband why the machine was a fake. They could not get the $500 fast enough out of the wallet as they thought they were onto something big, and I was the competition that wanted to detract them from their prize find and then buy it myself. Makes one wonder. Lets hope that they have since seen Lorans crapophone page and experienced that sinking feeling! Regards Rob