The horn has light surface dirt and maybe rust, the petals feel rough. I don't think it would be cleanable to the degree that the picture of the horn in the Fabrizio book is nice, clean and shiny... DeeDee Blais <deedeeblais at yahoo.com> wrote: Another tough question! I'm always a sucker for a nice big Victrola and the 130/XVII is exquisite but to me the deciding factor is the after market horn on the Vic II. It seems to me that many of the newer collectors (and possibly most collectors in general) are anxious to find Victor machines with Victor horns. In my opinion an after market horn adds additional interest to a Victor machine. If the after market horn is exceptional, I'll vote for the Vic II. If it's ho-hum, I'd buy the Victrola and call Stacy to help me move it! Jerry Blais ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list Phono-L at oldcrank.org Phono-L Archive http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ Support Phono-L http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank